Bard Wurf with AOE nerf?

[aaezil]

Dark either really clueless about bard songs or really bad troll

[astuce999]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dark either really clueless about bard songs or really bad troll

Not sure if he deserves it, but in his 'defense', if he matured as a bard only after Luclin came out, there was a massive nerf to bard aggro because of AE songs at the time, and any bard leveling after that era rightly believes bards have an incredibly hard time holding aggro.

Astuce

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if he deserves it, but in his 'defense', if he matured as a bard only after Luclin came out, there was a massive nerf to bard aggro because of AE songs at the time, and any bard leveling after that era rightly believes bards have an incredibly hard time holding aggro.

Astuce

Pretty much spot on. I played in the trilogy while I was very young and didn’t get into the game fully as a Bard until a few expansions in. I haven’t played on P99 blue, just Red and many other servers and live, where keeping aggro as a bard was near impossible.

Still surprised to see many people that want bards to tank with their incredibly low STA and other melee stats.

One thing that didn’t change was how squishy bards were. Yes, we wear plate, but our melee stats are fairly low. I feel like people are bard tanking with fungis on Blue and translate that to wanting to MT on Green.

[Tenlaar]

I feel like you started off claiming that you knew I was wrong because you've been playing a bard since 99, now you're saying you didn't really get into playing a bard until after Luclin, so maybe you should stop assuming that you know more than people who have been playing bards for years on blue who are telling you that bards can be good tanks for group content, especially throughout classic and Kunark?

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like you started off claiming that you knew I was wrong because you've been playing a bard since 99, now you're saying you didn't really get into playing a bard until after Luclin, so maybe you should stop assuming that you know more than people who have been playing bards for years on blue who are telling you that bards can be good tanks for group content, especially throughout classic and Kunark?

If you look back at page 1, you were on my nuts when this entire thread was about AOE kiting.

I did play a Bard since 99, but was young. Will gladly duel you on Green to test your pvp skills though !

[Indecisive]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much spot on. I played in the trilogy while I was very young and didn’t get into the game fully as a Bard until a few expansions in. I haven’t played on P99 blue, just Red and many other servers and live, where keeping aggro as a bard was near impossible.

Still surprised to see many people that want bards to tank with their incredibly low STA and other melee stats.

One thing that didn’t change was how squishy bards were. Yes, we wear plate, but our melee stats are fairly low. I feel like people are bard tanking with fungis on Blue and translate that to wanting to MT on Green.

Bard defensive skills keep up with tank classes in Classic, and they also get some of the highest returns on stamina gear. The biggest threat to tanks in this era are casters, especially ones with wizard nukes, not the garden variety melee mobs. You could probably group tank all the way to 50 in banded armor without much difficulty in Classic.

If you don't know what you're talking about, it's probably best not to debate people about it in a public forum. Stop being so prideful, realize you're wrong, and try to learn.

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Indecisive [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard defensive skills keep up with tank classes in Classic, and they also get some of the highest returns on stamina gear. The biggest threat to tanks in this era are casters, especially ones with wizard nukes, not the garden variety melee mobs. You could probably group tank all the way to 50 in banded armor without much difficulty in Classic.

If you don't know what you're talking about, it's probably best not to debate people about it in a public forum. Stop being so prideful, realize you're wrong, and try to learn.

Being so prideful? Lol. I never stated I knew everything about the Bard class. The creation of this thread in even asking the original question is evidence of this.

If you look at page one, Tenlaar was on my nuts the second I asked about AOE kiting, stating "Bards who AOE kite to max level are typically garbage."

Throughout the thread he's stated things such as "You shouldn't play a Bard," and other snippets of being a douchebag.

I'll be looking forward to seeing how many bards are tanking Lower Guk, Sol B Fire Giants, Efreeti, and other camps once Green goes live.

[Indecisive]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being so prideful? Lol. I never stated I knew everything about the Bard class.

No, you just tried to insinuate that you were some kind of authority on the topic by referencing how you’d been playing one “since 99“. Then decided to get into an argument with anyone that tried to correct you about aggro and bard tanking capabilities. Here’s a refresher:

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. I’ve played a bard since 99. How would you plan to hold aggro off any decent DPS Tenlaar?

Not that your insult was directed at me, but it is hilarious calling any bard garbage or mediocre when you are talking about tanking groups as a Bard, especially in classic LOL.

I would rather have the enchanter tank at that point. At least he can stun for aggros!!!

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My response was sarcasm kind sir. The answer is you can’t hold aggro off any one that isn’t trash, Lol.

Anything you do will not generate you anywhere near the aggro you would need to properly tank.

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The lvl 20 song sucks for aggro

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#2. Name one bard ability that generates enough threat to hold over any reliable DPS? The "real" aggro ability that every one in this thread is referring to is 50+. Something that won't be on Green until Kunark (years away?)

#3. What kind of group would even get a bard to tank, especially in classic? Sure, if you were in Kunark and beyond and desperate, go for it. A bard may be a plate class, but they are far from a tanking class.

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One thing that didn’t change was how squishy bards were. Yes, we wear plate, but our melee stats are fairly low. I feel like people are bard tanking with fungis on Blue and translate that to wanting to MT on Green.

This is pride. No matter how many people (that have been playing on the PvE server, by the way, something you admit you haven't done) are telling you you're wrong, you refuse to not only admit that you might be wrong, but continue to double down. You don't know what you're talking about, and continue to argue with people that do.

I really hope you take a moment to self-reflect and change your approach. Because what you're saying is so demonstrably false, it's asinine to continue to try and argue about it.

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Indecisive [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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