How long on blue until...

[aaezil]

Soon you guys will find out that its the knowledge and strats that trivialize endgame - not the wealth or gear

[kaev]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Soon you guys will find out that its the knowledge and strats that trivialize endgame - not the wealth or gear

The more casual player will simply see the endgame has been trivialized and that the characters who've done so are wealthy and well geared. Your knowledge and strats will be indistinguishable to him from cheats and GM favoritism. (And let's face it, the various money-collecting schemes would each and every one have been considered a cheat by Verant back in the day, many such were shut down and players were occasionally punished for exploiting them.)

[Halfcell]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Soon you guys will find out that its the knowledge and strats that trivialize endgame - not the wealth or gear

Yes and no.

When I say it takes a long time to accumulate assets, I don't just mean gear. I mean people having enough level 60 toons in raiding gear to be parked at fear, yelinak, dain, and Tormax, with every toon bound at ToV. I mean a Doubles mage, a triples mage, a dagarn mage, 2 Doze mages, a mage at every ST golem, a Zlandi mage, 2 Aary mages, a Trak mage, 2 fear tracker bots, a hate tracker bot, a PoM mage, 10 epic'd level 60 guild bot clerics. Enough tanks, and necros and cleric's in the personal accounts of 60-100 players to adjust raid composition on the fly at 2 am on a Wednesday when Vyemm pops, and entire raid force of VP keyed toons that never ever leave so Hosh and PD die within minutes of spawning, even in the middle of a raid in another zone. Every cleric, rogue, shaman, druid, and wizard with an epic by level 50.

That is what a trivial endgame looks like, and I simply don't think that Green will ever have the time to accumulate that level of top heavy glut.

I mean just think how rare warrior epics will be, or bard epics. Green scales have been dropping for like 8 years on P99, white scales for 10, and yet they are both still 500k+ on the open market and costs as much DKP as Vulak loot if you are in a raiding guild. Green will only ever see what, 150, maybe 200 white scales? And that's counting the one that drops the day before the servers merge.

Sometime inspect a truly old P99 raiding main. The best geared players on the server are still not even full BiS and they have been raiding weekly for nearly a decade. Green will never have the time to trivialize.

[Natewest1987]

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes and no.

When I say it takes a long time to accumulate assets, I don't mean gear. I mean people having enough level 60 toons in raiding gear to be parked at fear, yelinak, dain, and Tormax, with every toon bound at ToV. I mean a Doubles mage, a triples mage, a dagarn mage, 2 Doze mages, a mage at every ST golem, a Zlandi mage, 2 Aary mages, a Trak mage, 2 fear tracker bots, a hate tracker bot, a PoM mage, 10 epic'd level 60 guild bot clerics. Enough tanks, and necros and cleric's in the personal accounts of 60-100 players to adjust raid composition on the fly at 2 am on a Wednesday when Vyemm pops, and entire raid force of VP keyed toons that never ever leave so Hosh and PD die within minutes of spawning, even in the middle of a raid in another zone.

That is what a trivial endgame looks like, and I simply don't think that Green will ever have the time to accumulate that level of top heavy glut.

omg. is that what blue looks like at this point? lol

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Natewest1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

omg. is that what blue looks like at this point? lol

pretty close to that, yeah.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes and no.



That is what a trivial endgame looks like, and I simply don't think that Green will ever have the time to accumulate that level of top heavy glut.

It isn't meant to be trivialized, so it will be really cool to see how it goes down on a righteous timeline server.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes and no.

When I say it takes a long time to accumulate assets, I don't just mean gear. I mean people having enough level 60 toons in raiding gear to be parked at fear, yelinak, dain, and Tormax, with every toon bound at ToV. I mean a Doubles mage, a triples mage, a dagarn mage, 2 Doze mages, a mage at every ST golem, a Zlandi mage, 2 Aary mages, a Trak mage, 2 fear tracker bots, a hate tracker bot, a PoM mage, 10 epic'd level 60 guild bot clerics. Enough tanks, and necros and cleric's in the personal accounts of 60-100 players to adjust raid composition on the fly at 2 am on a Wednesday when Vyemm pops, and entire raid force of VP keyed toons that never ever leave so Hosh and PD die within minutes of spawning, even in the middle of a raid in another zone. Every cleric, rogue, shaman, druid, and wizard with an epic by level 50.

That is what a trivial endgame looks like, and I simply don't think that Green will ever have the time to accumulate that level of top heavy glut.

I mean just think how rare warrior epics will be, or bard epics. Green scales have been dropping for like 8 years on P99, white scales for 10, and yet they are both still 500k+ on the open market and costs as much DKP as Vulak loot if you are in a raiding guild. Green will only ever see what, 150, maybe 200 white scales? And that's counting the one that drops the day before the servers merge.

Sometime inspect a truly old P99 raiding main. The best geared players on the server are still not even full BiS and they have been raiding weekly for nearly a decade. Green will never have the time to trivialize.

What if i told you velious was beat in kunark gear and none of that sicko stuff you mentioned really matters you can kill 98% of this game’s content with 25-35 active raiders

Is kind of a shame that the devs here favor a ruleset that rewards big zerg forces though

[AbstractVision]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if i told you velious was beat in kunark gear and none of that sicko stuff you mentioned really matters you can kill 98% of this game’s content with 25-35 active raiders

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Mind blown.

Last 2% is.. AoW and Sleeper.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by AbstractVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Mind blown.

Last 2% is.. AoW and Sleeper.

Tunare wasn't day 1 iirc.

[Halfcell]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if i told you velious was beat in kunark gear and none of that sicko stuff you mentioned really matters you can kill 98% of this game’s content with 25-35 active raiders

Is kind of a shame that the devs here favor a ruleset that rewards big zerg forces though

What if I told you I have beaten Velious in Kunark gear on 5 different servers, including P99? That wasn't my point, beaten does not mean trivial. And killing AoW in pure Kunark is simply not possible without a massive raid with a list of tanks the likes of which I have never seen on any server.

Velious may have been quickly beaten on P99, though not really that quickly, but it was not even close to trivial until probably even after the Sleeper was awoken.