Agnostic Human Rogue factions

[Verityn]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You won't be KOS to anyone as an agnostic human rogue.

Rogue faction isn't particularly bad in any particular place. Racial faction way more significant.

The agnostic aspect will mean that when you wear a DE mask you won't be hated by evils. Evils will hate you if you worship a good God (illusion doesn't cover your diety alliance) so you definitely need to be agnostic as a rogue or enchanter.

Thanks for the reassurance. At the very least it seems like I might con threateningly to the halas guards, but even with that I can still turn in the gnoll fangs there to bring it up to dubious. I'm hoping for something similar with Neriak Commons. I just think it would so cool to go there as a human and not just with a DE mask.

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Verityn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the reassurance. At the very least it seems like I might con threateningly to the halas guards, but even with that I can still turn in the gnoll fangs there to bring it up to dubious. I'm hoping for something similar with Neriak Commons. I just think it would so cool to go there as a human and not just with a DE mask.

You can go there as a human rogue, you just need to stay away from the Wiz/Mage guild...

[Verityn]

Originally Posted by Deathrydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can go there as a human rogue, you just need to stay away from the Wiz/Mage guild...

That's where factions are kind of hard to understand. So the casters are part of The Spurned faction which I should only be apprehensive (-250) to assuming this list is correct. However I see people mentioning them being aligned with the King who is KOS to me (-500). Technically if I get 1 point of faction he should be dubious to me after that. The same for the warrior guild where I should be able to sneak into Crushbone to kill a single elf slave to get -499 (dubious). Of course there are some factions that are -1000.

Exploring all of this in game is going to be a lot of fun.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Verityn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's where factions are kind of hard to understand. So the casters are part of The Spurned faction which I should only be apprehensive (-250) to assuming this list is correct. However I see people mentioning them being aligned with the King who is KOS to me (-500). Technically if I get 1 point of faction he should be dubious to me after that. The same for the warrior guild where I should be able to sneak into Crushbone to kill a single elf slave to get -499 (dubious). Of course there are some factions that are -1000.

Exploring all of this in game is going to be a lot of fun.

Just remember that the wiki faction numbers are like the ZEMs. No one really knows the exact numbers here, because ShowEQ is banned (and without a tool like that there's no way to determine the exact numbers ... in fact, I'm kinda surprised you could even see those with ShowEQ ... but I assume that's how people got them back in the day?)

Which faction you gain/lose is almost always correct in the wiki, but you should take the numbers only as a "best guess".

[Lojik]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

[Cen]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

I was going to say that Solusek Ro specifically on that list is way, way wrong. On P99 its interesting, it gives better faction across the board than being agnostic!

[Verityn]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

I guess at least that's not so wildly different that I would have to throw away this list. I was never going to fully trust it anyways because I'd really like to avoid being killed in a place that might make it hard to get my body back even as a rogue.

[soronil]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

Agnostic Dark Elf Mage vs Coallition of Tradesfolk is also note correct. I was actually about 100 points negative into Dubious on a new character and had to raise faction by ~100 to get to apprehensive.

there's enough bad examples for me to consider the list useless. Like, how do you know which ones to trust?

[Verityn]

Originally Posted by soronil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agnostic Dark Elf Mage vs Coallition of Tradesfolk is also note correct. I was actually about 100 points negative into Dubious on a new character and had to raise faction by ~100 to get to apprehensive.

there's enough bad examples for me to consider the list useless. Like, how do you know which ones to trust?

Since it was only off by 100 faction in both cases I think it still serves as a reference (at least for me) for whether or not you MIGHT be KOS. I don't expect to run into a faction that I'm KOS to that I expected I would be friendly with. Also so far in Qeynos they have been pretty accurate even for the necro guild that I feared I would be attacked by.

I don't think we should upload this to the wiki though. Instead I will make notes in the specific faction pages as I play on green.