Just make the things nodrop?

[xCry0x]

I'd believe the larger concern is around guises. Farmed manastones get into the economy.

You would end up seeing a group take the camp and hold the camp until they each have a guise on a pile of level one alts.

If you think manastones sell for a lot, you should have seen what delf mask characters sold for when character selling was allowed.

To that end, making manastones no drop would probably be worse. Instead of "needing" one, people would argue they need one for every character they might want to play since they could never trade it to an alt.

[Zeboim]

If we're going to go un-classic enough to make it no drop, we can go un-classic enough to just delete the damn thing and remove the whole headache over a stupid bit of pixels.

[nexxa]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You would end up seeing a group take the camp and hold the camp until they each have a guise on a pile of level one alts.

That's my point though. Imagine each of these few key items were all nodrop from day one. Yes they'd still be farmed around the clock for alts, however it's a finite number of people that hardcore who want to do it. And by virtue of their play style they'd also be the first ones high enough level to do it.

By the time the masses become level-appropriate for those camps, the hardcores will have already outfitted all of their alts and moved on. The only thing that keeps someone on a camp after their 8+ alts have the drop is farming more to sell years down the road. So just eliminate that factor by making the currently-tradeable items nodrop.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by nexxa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's my point though. Imagine each of these few key items were all nodrop from day one. Yes they'd still be farmed around the clock for alts, however it's a finite number of people that hardcore who want to do it. And by virtue of their play style they'd also be the first ones high enough level to do it.

By the time the masses become level-appropriate for those camps, the hardcores will have already outfitted all of their alts and moved on. The only thing that keeps someone on a camp after their 8+ alts have the drop is farming more to sell years down the road. So just eliminate that factor by making the currently-tradeable items nodrop.

1) Guises are no drop.
2) You may be underestimating how frequently they drop and how short the window of time they are in the game is.
3) You definitely are underestimating the willingness of a group of people to hold down a camp like the guise or mana stone indefinitely, until the camps are patched out of the game, just because they can.

Think of it this way. The "try hards" leveling up the fastest will most likely be the same ones forming whatever guild intends to be "the" elite guild on green.

They then will want to hold those two specific camps exclusively for their guild so that their guild has an edge from as many people as possible owning a mana stone, no drop or not.

They will want the guise for ego purposes, and, because a raid full of ogre -> dark elf warriors has value as well.

Heck, it would be naive to not also assume that people would be willing to offer plat on blue for those items on green. So the guise becomes a huge profit center for people, despite being no drop.

I don't play blue anymore, I might as well liquidate an alt and pay 100k blue plat for a guise on my new main on green. Its useless money on blue to me and the novelty of the guise on green has substantially more value.

[nexxa]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think of it this way...

All fair points.

Skin in the game or not, neckbeard or scum, we're all here for the same silly game. Nothing wrong with a little discussion on a... discussion board (not directed at you).

Cheers.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by nexxa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing wrong with a little discussion on a... discussion board (not directed at you).

Cheers.

Definitely!

[dwarf_cleric420]

Wasn't cross server trading banned?

[skorge]

Originally Posted by dwarf_cleric420 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't cross server trading banned?

Yes. So is account trading.

Before, you used to be able to buy an account (with in-game plat or items) that had a pre-nerf guise on it. I personally bought my troll guised SK account this way (paid 400k) before they banned this ability.

It actually sucks because a couple of bad seeds ruined that experience for everyone. I actually sold and traded accounts and even did deals up to 800k before Rogean banned it. I understand why he did. There was some really highly sensitive deals going on. On my higher end ones we would always communicate on the phone (one deal took me 2 hours to do).

[Tuljin]

Even if cross server trading were "banned" people will do it anyways.

People underestimate a. how difficult untwinked EQ actually is and b. how much more valuable gear will be vs. coin. The economy of Blue EQ is so inflated who really cares if someone pays 10 million PP blue for a Green Manastone. That doesn't directly affect the physical amount of plat or available gear on Green. Also, does anyone think the neckbeard who successfully farms a Manastone on Green early on has -any- use for -any- amount of Blue plat?

There will be no amount of money or gear in Green currency that will have someone part with a Manastone for the first several months of the server. The /list will help greatly in reducing EC tunnel fat cat speculation, there's no need to make it nodrop.

Bottom line is the nerds who end up farming the $ gear on Green will really have "earned" it. Naked EQ is not easy and there will be no twinks or powerlevels. There won't be parked toons in every zone and there won't be any ports or rez. For a long time top gear on Green will be worn by toons and gear-for-gear trades will be way better than gear-for-plat.

Most players on Blue can't survive LGuk with twink toons, nevermind warriors with Langseaxes and casters in Gossamer. /list will be plenty to put a tremendous dent in nerds bogarting all the $ drops. From the way people are talking about Green and the fact that most Blue players at this point have never actually leveled a toon in EQ there won't even be that many people able to farm gear in the first place.