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[rezzie]

Originally Posted by Jonabis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So this was only "offered" by AM to make Riot look as though they aren't willing to work with other guilds?

No, it was offered up as Riot had been loudly beating their chests about all the opportunities they could offer up if only Aftermath wasn't in the way.

It just seems like Riot and their new found pixel thirst are only interesting in the perception they want to help the casuals, and they had a convenient excuse in the form of Aftermath as to why it couldn't happen.

Aftermath isn't in the way. The offer is there. It's a great offer and one Riot has been asking for for months - since before they were founded, even! Surprised they haven't bitten our hands off.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it was offered up as Riot had been loudly beating their chests about all the opportunities they could offer up if only Aftermath wasn't in the way.

It just seems like Riot and their new found pixel thirst are only interesting in the perception they want to help the casuals, and they had a convenient excuse in the form of Aftermath as to why it couldn't happen.

Aftermath isn't in the way. The offer is there. It's a great offer and one Riot has been asking for for months - since before they were founded, even! Surprised they haven't bitten our hands off.

I have the documents.

[Ruhtar]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it was offered up as Riot had been loudly beating their chests about all the opportunities they could offer up if only Aftermath wasn't in the way.

It just seems like Riot and their new found pixel thirst are only interesting in the perception they want to help the casuals, and they had a convenient excuse in the form of Aftermath as to why it couldn't happen.

Aftermath isn't in the way. The offer is there. It's a great offer and one Riot has been asking for for months - since before they were founded, even! Surprised they haven't bitten our hands off.

This is what Detoxx and Monrezz does in the UN channel. A lot of negotiations / agreements are going on, D&M decline them all as they don't favor AM, then they propose some retarded ass offer that no one would agree to and use it as some form of an ultimatum. They rarely, if ever, budge from their position and are the cause of pretty much all arguments that occur in that channel. Detoxx usually ends on some note of, "I'll end this cancerous channel if I have to!!! I'm am so sick and tired of this shit!!! Fuck you!!!!1one"

D&M is attempting to do the same thing, except now they don't have any power, so they're doing their spin game on the forums like it'll make some kind of difference.

I applaud you guys for trying. Enjoy your time in WoW and let us know on the P99 forums what pixels you deny others of (in your guild, cuz instances).

[rezzie]

Riot seems to have an unhealthy obsession with Aftermath and not with helping the casuals by supporting the best proposal since Aftermath's March Madness.

[Jonabis]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it was offered up as Riot had been loudly beating their chests about all the opportunities they could offer up if only Aftermath wasn't in the way.

It just seems like Riot and their new found pixel thirst are only interesting in the perception they want to help the casuals, and they had a convenient excuse in the form of Aftermath as to why it couldn't happen.

Aftermath isn't in the way. The offer is there. It's a great offer and one Riot has been asking for for months - since before they were founded, even! Surprised they haven't bitten our hands off.

How are you so sure Riot isn't discussing these options with those smaller guilds without you? Is that so far fetched? Just because AM signs off on an idea doesn't mean it is a good idea.

[rezzie]

I've posted multiple times that I suspect that is exactly what is happening and that Riot are preparing the launch of their next PR campaign shortly.

"Oh look, we've offered these non-inner ring mobs and Aftermath says no. Boo, Aftermath!"

Everything but inner ring can still be contested by any guild that can field a kill force. No need to zerg, diminishing returns from having a zerg, and no guilt from accepting welfare pixels.

The inner ring is so overwhelming determined by numbers they are effectively uncontestable and they also require the largest time investment to crawl to.

Disappointing how quickly pixel lust took over those founding principals. 400+ hungry mouths to feed and counting!

[baakss]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've posted multiple times that I suspect that is exactly what is happening and that Riot are preparing the launch of their next PR campaign shortly.

"Oh look, we've offered these non-inner ring mobs and Aftermath says no. Boo, Aftermath!"

Everything but inner ring can still be contested by any guild that can field a kill force. No need to zerg, diminishing returns from having a zerg, and no guilt from accepting welfare pixels.

The inner ring is so overwhelming determined by numbers they are effectively uncontestable and they also require the largest time investment to crawl to.

Disappointing how quickly pixel lust took over those founding principals. 400+ hungry mouths to feed and counting!

Nobody contests non-inner ring mobs like KT , Doze, and Statue, you tool.

Doesn’t matter if they “can”. They still don’t because you need to park toons to have a shot, and most guilds you only have one raid viable toon per person. There’s a calculation of how likely you think you are to get a mob versus tying up your mains for a day waiting for a mob.

You tie up mains waiting for a Golem in CT? Good shot of getting one on CT pop at least, maybe more if AM/Riot are tied up.

You park for KT? Bad chance because AM/Riot have 6 racers each ready for 16 hours.

You are beyond dense.

[rezzie]

Originally Posted by baakss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You park for KT? Bad chance because AM/Riot have 6 racers each ready for 16 hours.

You are beyond dense.

Wait, I'm confused. Are we still contesting mobs and cock-blocking the casuals, or are we a dead guild who doesn't contest anything and can't offer up mobs because we never kill things?

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[Not_Mikeo]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, I'm confused. Are we still contesting mobs and cock-blocking the casuals, or are we a dead guild who doesn't contest anything and can't offer up mobs because we never kill things?

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It's the offering up of not contesting mobs that you're not really killing that's causing the confusion I think.

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[madiguz1215]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've posted multiple times that I suspect that is exactly what is happening and that Riot are preparing the launch of their next PR campaign shortly.

"Oh look, we've offered these non-inner ring mobs and Aftermath says no. Boo, Aftermath!"

Everything but inner ring can still be contested by any guild that can field a kill force. No need to zerg, diminishing returns from having a zerg, and no guilt from accepting welfare pixels.

The inner ring is so overwhelming determined by numbers they are effectively uncontestable and they also require the largest time investment to crawl to.

Disappointing how quickly pixel lust took over those founding principals. 400+ hungry mouths to feed and counting!

Pretty disappointing to see you guys give up so soon and so easily. It's only been a few months and your guild is losing their shit cuz you're not farming pixels. Why not embrace the competition? AM still gets mobs, just not all of them lol. Keep blaming the zerg, but Riot's numbers aren't so different to the point where you're not able to compete. There's actually some pretty important strategizing required to win mobs in tov, and you obviously haven't figured it out, so you've become desperate, and have thrown a wrench into the situation (which, btw, not even the smaller guilds have any desire to agree to). But you wouldn't know that would you? Instead of trying to engrave it into people's heads that what you're doing isn't out of spite, try communicating with the smaller guilds, and quit it with the ultimatums. This server would be a lot more enjoyable if you did.