<Aftermath> to Classic WoW

Twochain · #1 08-21-2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This came about when ToV leapfrogging became a standard. {Sadly week 1}

In order to get the kill, you have to engage +2 guards (and now +4 guards for Vulak).
This is the reason you need high numbers to kill mobs.

If there was no leapfrogging, any standard size guild could head through NToV and kill dragons.

Okay let's pretend for a second that everyone on the server is an overly polite Canadian who wouldn't DARE leapfrogging a guild for a target.

What's the barrier of letting someone have a mob?

Mob spawns ----> "Aftermath's target is Vulak please do not leap frog"
Mob spawns ----> Everyone coths up to trips and kills trash mobs ----> Who's leap frogging who
Mob spawns ----> Okay guys first guild to coth 50 people to aary ledge has first rights to the mob

None of that shit is feasible. Nor is it fun.

Honestly a lot of shit about this meta just isn't fun. Eashen every week.... AM/Riot trains each other on accident 4 times and then lawyerquests from there.. I mean seriously.... 200+ people in a 5 foot stretch of wall. Woops someone trained everyone. Woops someone who is KoS took a rez and now all the hatchlings are in camp. Who was it on first though??

Lady M summons from Egypt ...... Lady M / Koi being up at the same time is insane.

Vulak spawns.... clear for 45 minutes ... lady n spawns .... get 120 people to zone in. Coth to Lady N. Kill lady N. get back to trips. clear trash, pray another dragon doesn't spawn.

Having to throw 120 bodies at Vyemm to have a chance if it's contested.

Waiting at the zone line to mobilize for a dragon because 6 people ninja-afk'd

Also don't hit me with the Muh loot conveyor belt slant. I've said the same thing since Day #1 of rooted dragons. That EarthQuake was one of the most fun experiences playing on p99, but I have a feeling that it will get old very quick.

Even in a world where Guard Guard merges with aegis who merges with AM and we got the lion's share of the loot again, i'd be saying the same shit. This version of ToV raiding is lame.

baakss · #2 08-21-2019, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly a lot of shit about this meta just isn't fun.

I'm having fun actually.

A lot of Riot is from CSG and such, so we are seeing this content with a different perspective than you are.

enjchanter · #3 08-21-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay let's pretend for a second that everyone on the server is an overly polite Canadian who wouldn't DARE leapfrogging a guild for a target.

What's the barrier of letting someone have a mob?

Mob spawns ----> "Aftermath's target is Vulak please do not leap frog"
Mob spawns ----> Everyone coths up to trips and kills trash mobs ----> Who's leap frogging who
Mob spawns ----> Okay guys first guild to coth 50 people to aary ledge has first rights to the mob

None of that shit is feasible. Nor is it fun.

Honestly a lot of shit about this meta just isn't fun. Eashen every week.... AM/Riot trains each other on accident 4 times and then lawyerquests from there.. I mean seriously.... 200+ people in a 5 foot stretch of wall. Woops someone trained everyone. Woops someone who is KoS took a rez and now all the hatchlings are in camp. Who was it on first though??

Lady M summons from Egypt ...... Lady M / Koi being up at the same time is insane.

Vulak spawns.... clear for 45 minutes ... lady n spawns .... get 120 people to zone in. Coth to Lady N. Kill lady N. get back to trips. clear trash, pray another dragon doesn't spawn.

Having to throw 120 bodies at Vyemm to have a chance if it's contested.

Waiting at the zone line to mobilize for a dragon because 6 people ninja-afk'd

Also don't hit me with the Muh loot conveyor belt slant. I've said the same thing since Day #1 of rooted dragons. That EarthQuake was one of the most fun experiences playing on p99, but I have a feeling that it will get old very quick.

Even in a world where Guard Guard merges with aegis who merges with AM and we got the lion's share of the loot again, i'd be saying the same shit. This version of ToV raiding is lame.

Where is retweet button

Endonde · #4 08-21-2019, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay let's pretend for a second that everyone on the server is an overly polite Canadian who wouldn't DARE leapfrogging a guild for a target.

What's the barrier of letting someone have a mob?

Mob spawns ----> "Aftermath's target is Vulak please do not leap frog"
Mob spawns ----> Everyone coths up to trips and kills trash mobs ----> Who's leap frogging who
Mob spawns ----> Okay guys first guild to coth 50 people to aary ledge has first rights to the mob

None of that shit is feasible. Nor is it fun.

Honestly a lot of shit about this meta just isn't fun. Eashen every week.... AM/Riot trains each other on accident 4 times and then lawyerquests from there.. I mean seriously.... 200+ people in a 5 foot stretch of wall. Woops someone trained everyone. Woops someone who is KoS took a rez and now all the hatchlings are in camp. Who was it on first though??

Lady M summons from Egypt ...... Lady M / Koi being up at the same time is insane.

Vulak spawns.... clear for 45 minutes ... lady n spawns .... get 120 people to zone in. Coth to Lady N. Kill lady N. get back to trips. clear trash, pray another dragon doesn't spawn.

Having to throw 120 bodies at Vyemm to have a chance if it's contested.

Waiting at the zone line to mobilize for a dragon because 6 people ninja-afk'd

Also don't hit me with the Muh loot conveyor belt slant. I've said the same thing since Day #1 of rooted dragons. That EarthQuake was one of the most fun experiences playing on p99, but I have a feeling that it will get old very quick.

Even in a world where Guard Guard merges with aegis who merges with AM and we got the lion's share of the loot again, i'd be saying the same shit. This version of ToV raiding is lame.

I don't like rooted dragons for a few reasons but the idea that AM members don't like it because it allows the bigger zerg to win is laughable, in an era that didnt require a zerg Aftermath inflated themselves to the point where they were the largest guild in P99 history, even Riot hasn't reached the numbers that AM achieved in the zone pull meta.

Twochain · #5 08-21-2019, 08:27 PM

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I don't like rooted dragons for a few reasons but the idea that AM members don't like it because it allows the bigger zerg to win is laughable, in an era that didnt require a zerg Aftermath inflated themselves to the point where they were the largest guild in P99 history, even Riot hasn't reached the numbers that AM achieved in the zone pull meta.

Catch-22 friend.

If we had a high barrier of entry during the zone pull era, we would have been elitist dick heads who want to hoard all the loot to our core. But we had a pretty relaxed recruitment method. In the past, we had a mage who had started playing EverQuest a month prior doing Vulak coth. We could have closed recruitment for a year, and just fed our alts forever. Aftermath became a zerg because people wanted to join our guild, and we let them. Even though we didn't need a zerg. Just like on the other side, 20-25 people did all the heavy lifting. I mean, I guess it was nice to have a shit load of people incase you needed to kill an AoW at 4am. We weren't really actively recruiting though. It's not like Cheanna was out there sending tells to random players trying to get them to join so that we could have all the raiders on the server.

If Aftermath was such a big and bad evil zerg, why didn't tempest/awakened merge with AG/Paradigm Shift/Every single person who wants to raid on the server before the dragons were rooted? It's because those other guilds would have never joined up with tempest/awakened. They wanted to try and do it themselves. And then they rooted the dragons, which made it literally impossible to do so.

The most bored I've ever been raiding on this server was when Awakened was suspended for like 2 months. I've always wanted a competitive raid scene.

My point is, trying to zerg shame a guild that didn't need to be a zerg is kind of pointless. It wasn't the 110 people that showed up on the kill log that won us mobs, it was the 20 people that were online before that. The fact that you have to bring 110 just to be dealt a hand is, in my opinion, bad.

azeth · #6 08-21-2019, 08:39 PM

Why aren't all of you idiots like 2 Chainz and able to actually speak like a normal person

Ripqozko · #7 08-21-2019, 08:42 PM

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Why aren't all of you idiots like 2 Chainz and able to actually speak like a normal person

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Endonde · #8 08-21-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Catch-22 friend.

If we had a high barrier of entry during the zone pull era, we would have been elitist dick heads who want to hoard all the loot to our core. But we had a pretty relaxed recruitment method. In the past, we had a mage who had started playing EverQuest a month prior doing Vulak coth. We could have closed recruitment for a year, and just fed our alts forever. Aftermath became a zerg because people wanted to join our guild, and we let them. Even though we didn't need a zerg. Just like on the other side, 20-25 people did all the heavy lifting. I mean, I guess it was nice to have a shit load of people incase you needed to kill an AoW at 4am. We weren't really actively recruiting though. It's not like Cheanna was out there sending tells to random players trying to get them to join so that we could have all the raiders on the server.

If Aftermath was such a big and bad evil zerg, why didn't tempest/awakened merge with AG/Paradigm Shift/Every single person who wants to raid on the server before the dragons were rooted? It's because those other guilds would have never joined up with tempest/awakened. They wanted to try and do it themselves. And then they rooted the dragons, which made it literally impossible to do so.

The most bored I've ever been raiding on this server was when Awakened was suspended for like 2 months. I've always wanted a competitive raid scene.

My point is, trying to zerg shame a guild that didn't need to be a zerg is kind of pointless. It wasn't the 110 people that showed up on the kill log that won us mobs, it was the 20 people that were online before that. The fact that you have to bring 110 just to be dealt a hand is, in my opinion, bad.

I don't really disagree with you, there is always a need to recruit on P99 because players come and go so fast, and I'm not trying to shame AM for being a zerg it's really just part of the game, I'm just pointing out that AM members including yourself coming in here to complain about a "zerg" meta or the fact that another guild now has more members than them is incredibly hypocritical. You dislike zergs now simply because you aren't the biggest one anymore.

rezzie · #9 08-21-2019, 09:26 PM

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Baylan295 · #10 08-21-2019, 09:38 PM

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More mobs rotated with the casuals in the 3 months of Riot than the 3 previous years of Aftermath.