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[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you even read, bro? Riot specifically said we’d agree to one week Us/AM and another week everyone else, effectively cutting our VP haul in half. Detoxx wouldn’t even agree to that.

Yeah after being called out for their hypocrisy. This is why the discussion needs to be public. Which I imagine is why Detoxx came public with it. Riot will only go so far and then argue.

[ajohnymous]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah after being called out for their hypocrisy. This is why the discussion needs to be public. Which I imagine is why Detoxx came public with it. Riot will only go so far and then argue.

Detoxx posted it in a channel where a very select few can post which leaves zero room for discussion. The pastebin is from a Discord server where the major guilds have all of their officers in. I'm not sure where else this discussion would happen.

From what I read on that pastebin, Riot was trying to open a discussion with everyone about the raid scene and the AM people were responding with argumentative, inflammatory, and/or accusatory statements.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by ajohnymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Detoxx posted it in a channel where a very select few can post which leaves zero room for discussion. The pastebin is from a Discord server where the major guilds have all of their officers in. I'm not sure where else this discussion would happen.

From what I read on that pastebin, Riot was trying to open a discussion with everyone about the raid scene and the AM people were responding with argumentative, inflammatory, and/or accusatory statements.

No both AM officers was offering up better options for smaller guilds. Not a 2 hour window from when a mob spawns. As I already pointed out most smaller guilds can't even field a raid force to kill some targets depending when they spawn. A 2 hour window would continue to lock almost everyone outside of the large guilds out of content.

The one time Kittens and friends killed Vyemm as an example it took them close to 4 hours to get it done. It seems to me Monrezz and Detoxx hit the nail on the head with their offers and you guys continue to be blind to the reality of smaller guilds.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No both AM officers was offering up better options for smaller guilds. Not a 2 hour window from when a mob spawns. As I already pointed out most smaller guilds can't even field a raid force to kill some targets depending when they spawn. A 2 hour window would continue to lock almost everyone outside of the large guilds out of content.

The one time Kittens and friends killed Vyemm as an example it took them close to 4 hours to get it done. It seems to me Monrezz and Detoxx hit the nail on the head with their offers and you guys continue to be blind to the reality of smaller guilds.

Who ever said anything about a two hour window? No one in the UN channel, that I saw.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who ever said anything about a two hour window? No one in the UN channel, that I saw.

Are you blind.

Riot will agree to not contest Feshlak, Gozzrem and Telk (say - for 2 or 3 hours?), if Aftermath will also agree.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you blind.

Riot will agree to not contest Feshlak, Gozzrem and Telk (say - for 2 or 3 hours?), if Aftermath will also agree.

Admittedly blind.

[ajohnymous]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No both AM officers was offering up better options for smaller guilds. Not a 2 hour window from when a mob spawns. As I already pointed out most smaller guilds can't even field a raid force to kill some targets depending when they spawn. A 2 hour window would continue to lock almost everyone outside of the large guilds out of content.

The one time Kittens and friends killed Vyemm as an example it took them close to 4 hours to get it done. It seems to me Monrezz and Detoxx hit the nail on the head with their offers and you guys continue to be blind to the reality of smaller guilds.

I didn't see anyone in Riot outright dismissing the idea of a rotation with smaller guilds. In fact, they offered one with VP:


Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.


It did not appear to be well received.

[baakss]

Originally Posted by ajohnymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't see anyone in Riot outright dismissing the idea of a rotation with smaller guilds. In fact, they offered one with VP:


Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.


It did not appear to be well received.

AM is eager to rotate mobs they can't compete on, ala inner ring ToV.

KT, Doze, Trips, etc. are not suggested because they feel like AM has a shot. Low numbers required to kill, just a coth / fte race.

[imsorryGMs]

Originally Posted by ajohnymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't see anyone in Riot outright dismissing the idea of a rotation with smaller guilds. In fact, they offered one with VP:


Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.


It did not appear to be well received.

Because AM blows in VP. Even upping the dkp to 25 a kill on select vp targets did nothing except increase the number of people on responder logs. They won't agree to being in a competitive vp rotation slot with riot because they'll continue to lose.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by imsorryGMs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because AM blows in VP. Even upping the dkp to 25 a kill on select vp targets did nothing except increase the number of people on responder logs. They won't agree to being in a competitive vp rotation slot with riot because they'll continue to lose.

To be honest watching me try and pull Nexona this week indicated I also blow in VP and need practice.