p99 has the worst raid scene of any game i have ever played and im quitting over it

[Erati]

Originally Posted by seananetsberger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was so word of the tracker fte. No one knew it happened. He logged in. Fte’d, died instantly. Then a legit fte bard landed at wizard ring after tracker fte was dead. Ran up and got a legit fte. No one called for tracker fte DQ. no one said anything. No one knew it happened. We all believed it was a real fte and we killed it excited.

It wasn’t until 6 hours later when ALS heard it dropped 2 scales that they began to attempt extortion with guild leads from BG for 1 scale or face full item deletion

ALS did not deserve the items any more than bg.
Also, isn’t extortion and lawyer quest against the ALS charter for loot? Aren’t you supposed to kill all your loots yourself??


They never got an fte. We never hindered them from getting fte. It just as easily could of been any other guild to kill it.

This is the same as AW v Lord Nagafen v Rustle

The precedence was set unfortunately for you guys to DQ yourselves after first FTE was obtained illegally.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...12&postcount=1

[PieOats]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the same as AW v Lord Nagafen v Rustle

The precedence was set unfortunately for you guys to DQ yourselves after first FTE was obtained illegally.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...12&postcount=1

*precedent


*sniffs, blinks and walks off*

[seananetsberger]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the same as AW v Lord Nagafen v Rustle

The precedence was set unfortunately for you guys to DQ yourselves after first FTE was obtained illegally.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...12&postcount=1

Fully aware of this.
And we would of if we knew the fte went out. No one even k ew that the first fte went out. The person who got it never said squat. Probably cause he died within 2 seconds of fte.
No one knew it happened.
No one shouted tracker fte. DQ.
No one said anything about it until after they realized what dropped 6 hours later.

The tracker fte was an infraction. Bg accepts the punishment from llandris. We should not of killed it. Hence why we conceded 2 sev as soon as we found out.

We weren’t going to to accept being extorted by someone we called a friend.

Yes. There was an infraction. Are all infractions equal? Is training a guild equivalent to a tracker fte DQ and kill? . We did not hinder aegis’s ability to fte. The tracker fte was dead in seconds. We got a new fte 1 minute 17 seconds after the initial. The person who got the second fte did not see the first. The tracker fte person didn’t say anything in guild or voice.
In our minds it was a legit kill.
Myself and leadership have conceded mobs for bg when we fucked up and knew about it. We would of conceded this one before killing it if we knew.
.
We were dealt punishment after already making the good faith effort to concede the next two.

Aegis has agreed with bg leads that the concession and apology was enough.
Aegis alliance

[seananetsberger]

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Fully aware of this.
And we would of if we knew the fte went out. No one even k ew that the first fte went out. The person who got it never said squat. Probably cause he died within 2 seconds of fte.
No one knew it happened.
No one shouted tracker fte. DQ.
No one said anything about it until after they realized what dropped 6 hours later.

The tracker fte was an infraction. Bg accepts the punishment from llandris. We should not of killed it. Hence why we conceded 2 sev as soon as we found out.

We weren’t going to to accept being extorted by someone we called a friend.

Yes. There was an infraction. Are all infractions equal? Is training a guild equivalent to a tracker fte DQ and kill? . We did not hinder aegis’s ability to fte. The tracker fte was dead in seconds. We got a new fte 1 minute 17 seconds after the initial. The person who got the second fte did not see the first. The tracker fte person didn’t say anything in guild or voice.
In our minds it was a legit kill.
Myself and leadership have conceded mobs for bg when we fucked up and knew about it. We would of conceded this one before killing it if we knew.
.
We were dealt punishment after already making the good faith effort to concede the next two.

Aegis had agreed with bg leads that the concession and apology was enough.
Aegis alliance had told us they were not going to petition.
Aegis petitioned after we didnt give them 1 scale.
All items deleted.

Moving on.

[Kazik]

Originally Posted by seananetsberger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We never hindered them from getting fte. It just as easily could of been any other guild to kill it.

You are hindering other guilds with tracker FTE. When another guilds tracker sees an FTE message go off they may not even bother batphoning since the race as been lost. Other racers may not even bother to try and get FTE because an FTE message has already gone off. The FTE message is letting everyone else know they lost the race.

Can you wrap your head around that?

Originally Posted by seananetsberger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And we would of if we knew the fte went out. No one even k ew that the first fte went out. The person who got it never said squat. Probably cause he died within 2 seconds of fte.
No one knew it happened.
No one shouted tracker fte. DQ.

If your tracker couldn't even communicate to its OWN guild that he had died, how on earth do you expect this message to make it to competing guilds? To alert them that the race was still on?

Originally Posted by seananetsberger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aegis had agreed with bg leads that the concession and apology was enough.

Loot deletion isn't up to AEGIS. Why would it be? If you concede the mob then you delete the loot.

Imagine a world where BG gets a Vulak they should have DQ'd themselves from. Do you think conceding the next two Vulaks would be a just punishment? Of course not, because they aren't giving up anything. They never had a chance at those next two Vulaks anyway.

Conceding mobs only makes sense in a raid environment that has two guilds.

[matticas]

Originally Posted by seananetsberger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one knew it happened.

Clearly someone did, right? I mean your tracker died. Rough way to learn, but now he knows.

[Kazik]

[QUOTE=seananetsberger;2909813Bg accepts the punishment from llandris. We should not of killed it. Hence why we conceded 2 sev as soon as we found out.
[/QUOTE]


If you accept the punishment then why are you crying over the lost Scales.

Deleted loot is the punishment.