When PSG steals Koi off of two separate guilds’ pull and FTE

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Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a joke to say that guilds other than AM, AG, and Core aren't in ToV. PS regularly spends 1-2 cycles a month in ToV. What those cycles are depends very much on the targets available and the windows for those targets, because we don't operate a 24/7 shop like some of the other guilds on this server.

Not to mention the fact that I've been screaming from the top of a stool that concessions are meaningless in a multi-guild environment, because it doesn't actually restore the wronged guild to its prior position, it's merely punitive for the guild that does the wrong. That leaves the guild that was wronged in a worse position than they would otherwise be in.

The concession system is dumb given the current state of the server. Along with a lot of other rules. Let me know if you have a good alternative.

I think you're saying that if Core has a dragon in camp and AG accidentally trains and wipes them, a concession by AG means nothing to Core because AM is now killing that dragon. I agree. The raid rules are based on the outdated concept that there are only two guilds competing because that was traditionally the case.

In the above scenario, Core had FTE at the time of the violation by AG. They should get 30 minutes to recover and start the kill. If they wipe they're done for that mob unless it was due to another violation.

I know AM will object to the 30 minute time, but not every guild has a massive raid force that can swap characters and be ready to go in 1 minute. 30 mins gives the guilds who need every player ready a reasonable time to recover, set up another pull, and get another kill going.

The down side to this proposal, of course, is that AG and Core can make backroom deals to deny AM. Core FTEs Dozekar with 6 people in zone. AG trains them on "accident" and Core now gets 30 mins to gather and prep for an uncontested Doze kill. Core happens to offer a "rotting" tear to AG. AM never had a fair chance. Um, actually, there is no downside. That's the solution. You're welcome. Hope this helps.