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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Rizzle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had to pick raid mobs to rotate on p99 then what would it be if its not velious content? You keep mentioning rotating but haven't suggested targets on p99. Is it only Vox/Naggy for p99?

I'm mainly referring to the rotation system that got proposed and taken down here recently, which was largely about ToV. But look if you have an argument that rotations are best for P99 in zones X and Y, but not Z, by all means make it!

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm mainly referring to the rotation system that got proposed and taken down here recently, which was largely about ToV. But look if you have an argument that rotations are best for P99 in zones X and Y, but not Z, by all means make it!

Top content shouldn’t be rotated, you could rotate Kunark and get your freebie pixels and no one would care. Tov is top content

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Top content shouldn’t be rotated, you could rotate Kunark and get your freebie pixels and no one would care. Tov is top content

WHY?

Please, stop just saying things as if they're self-evidently true: make an honest argument. I keep trying to help you:

I believe _____ is the best raid system overall for everyone on Project 1999 because _______

You can't leave the because part off (well, I mean, you can, but then you're not making an argument, you're just yelling things into space).

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WHY?

Please, stop just saying things as if they're self-evidently true: make an honest argument. I keep trying to help you:



You can't leave the because part off (well, I mean, you can, but then you're not making an argument, you're just yelling things into space).

It shouldnt be rotated because it is the best shit available to kill on p99 for the rest of its days. This is high quality, rare stuff that is as good as its gunna be. So the classic experience would be that the best loot in the game is highly sought after. It was not designed to be easy to get.

But you still have to kill the dragons , that's hard right ?
Well no, this content was defeated instantly when it came out (on p99) . So when the dragon is a glorified pinata, the guild vs guild competition is what makes the loot valuable. There is a challenge associated with it. Rotations remove the challenge and just leave you with the (what I think many would consider) tedious part of raiding is.

Its kindof hard to respond to this thread because I really dont think the topic is deep enough to warrant a huge discussion but I'm trying my best to give you an "honest" arguement.

[Wonkie]

I believe gold-dkp runs is the best raid system overall for everyone on Project 1999 because I have a lot of gold

[Gatordash]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WHY?

Please, stop just saying things as if they're self-evidently true: make an honest argument.

I like P99 because it rewards you for your time and effort spent playing more than a lot of other games. It feels pretty good getting an item after spending a ton of time on it. Putting the best equipment P99 has to offer on a rotation system means you don't have to spend all that time and effort to obtain it which lessens the reward, and therefore would make P99 worse imo. And that is why the current system we have is better than a rotation system.

[Nibblewitz]

Let's do a rotation.

AoW is gateway mob.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Gatordash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like P99 because it rewards you for your time and effort spent playing more than a lot of other games. It feels pretty good getting an item after spending a ton of time on it. Putting the best equipment P99 has to offer on a rotation system means you don't have to spend all that time and effort to obtain it which lessens the reward, and therefore would make P99 worse imo. And that is why the current system we have is better than a rotation system.

I <3 this post. And I also agree with a lot of it.

OF COURSE it should take time and effort to obtain top equipment. But nothing about rotations changes that: you still have to kill the dragons!

As far as EverQuest, the actual game we are all here to play, is concerned, everyone still has to "put in the work" to get the treasure by killing the dragons, regardless of the system that allocates the dragons.

Furthermore, for all your claims about the "time and effort" put in, the vast majority of members of the top guilds don't have to put in that time and effort. Yes the trackers have to stare at nothing for hours, and a few other members have to put in effort, but 95% or so of the guild is putting in no more effort than anyone else on the server ... so why is it better to have a server where only they get to kill the dragons?

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I <3 this post. And I also agree with a lot of it.

OF COURSE it should take time and effort to obtain top equipment. But nothing about rotations changes that: you still have to kill the dragons!

As far as EverQuest, the actual game we are all here to play, is concerned, everyone still has to "put in the work" to get the treasure by killing the dragons, regardless of the system that allocates the dragons.

Furthermore, for all your claims about the "time and effort" put in, the vast majority of members of the top guilds don't have to put in that time and effort. Yes the trackers have to stare at nothing for hours, and a few other members have to put in effort, but 95% or so of the guild is putting in no more effort than anyone else on the server ... so why is it better to have a server where only they get to kill the dragons?

Because killing the dragon is the easiest part

Tracking it and pulling it before another guild does is the hard part.

If I just show up ... and kill the dragon (on my turn) .... then I'm just waiting till the item.i want drops.

Maybe this week im a warm body just pressing 1 to heal the tank and maybe next week im tracking for 10hrs to fill roles.

[bthomsen0312]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I <3 this post. And I also agree with a lot of it.

OF COURSE it should take time and effort to obtain top equipment. But nothing about rotations changes that: you still have to kill the dragons!

As far as EverQuest, the actual game we are all here to play, is concerned, everyone still has to "put in the work" to get the treasure by killing the dragons, regardless of the system that allocates the dragons.

Furthermore, for all your claims about the "time and effort" put in, the vast majority of members of the top guilds don't have to put in that time and effort. Yes the trackers have to stare at nothing for hours, and a few other members have to put in effort, but 95% or so of the guild is putting in no more effort than anyone else on the server ... so why is it better to have a server where only they get to kill the dragons?

I think you seriously don't get what makes the upper echelon of raiders sign in every week.

If you want mobs that you can login and just kill TLP and P2002 both will let you do that. You try to justify that instances != rotations but they effectively are (you are 100% going to get a shot at every mob in the zone)

if you want to kill TOV loramin, join an actual competitive raiding guild (AG CORE AM), or put in a HUGE amount of effort to get the tools necessary to make anonymous competitive.