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[loramin]

I love how every "it's fine, I don't see a problem" post comes from Aftermath. Like [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] the people benefiting most from the current system think it's fine!

C'mon P99 team, make this a server for everyone again: bring back rotations!

(In b4 "rotations are handouts for less hard working people than us: sharing with othersis un-democratic/un-American/un-capitalist/not classic/the work of the devil!")

[bthomsen0312]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how every "it's fine, I don't see a problem" post comes from Aftermath. Like [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] the people benefiting most from the current system think it's fine!

C'mon P99 team, make this a server for everyone again: bring back rotations!

(In b4 "rotations are handouts for less hard working people than us: sharing with othersis un-democratic/un-American/un-capitalist/not classic/the work of the devil!")

hey

theres a thing called live that has instanced raids where you can get your pixels with little effort.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by bthomsen0312 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey

theres a thing called live that has instanced raids where you can get your pixels with little effort.

hey

When you ignore the reality of an argument and instead rely on a false one (eg. by pretending support for rotations equates to wanting instances) you're being dishonest with whatever you're trying to advocate for.

Presumably, if you hard an honest argument you would have used that instead, but you didn't have one. Which makes sense, because rotations are not instances, they're 100% classic EverQuest, and they would in fact be better for the server as a whole ... but worse for the people benefiting most from the current system.

[Prostatus]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey

When you ignore the reality of an argument and instead rely on a false one (eg. by pretending support for rotations equates to wanting instances) you're being dishonest with whatever you're trying to advocate for.

Presumably, if you hard an honest argument you would have used that instead, but you didn't have one. Which makes sense, because rotations are not instances, they're 100% classic EverQuest, and they would in fact be better for the server as a whole ... but worse for the people benefiting most from the current system.

This guy still mad that ToV rotation got pulled.

Sad

[bthomsen0312]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey

When you ignore the reality of an argument and instead rely on a false one (eg. by pretending support for rotations equates to wanting instances) you're being dishonest with whatever you're trying to advocate for.

Presumably, if you hard an honest argument you would have used that instead, but you didn't have one. Which makes sense, because rotations are not instances, they're 100% classic EverQuest, and they would in fact be better for the server as a whole ... but worse for the people benefiting most from the current system.

A. Classic was not rotated very often in my experience on brell, they were DPS races which are even more favorable for the zergs (which I am not a part of)

B. The point is that instanced mobs provide no contest mobs that are equivalent to rotations on a shorter time scale (your rotation would come up once a week instead of one a quarter)

Furthermore, you need to understand that the server has a limited GM pool to deal with server disputes. The rules need to be simplistic that require minimal intervention as these are unpaid volunteers.

The easiest thing for them would be to go back to DPS races without the engage messages necessitating "winning" the mob. You should be very happy this is not the state of raiding.

[Moerne]

Originally Posted by bthomsen0312 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A. Classic was not rotated very often in my experience on brell, they were DPS races which are even more favorable for the zergs (which I am not a part of)

Same on Lanys T'Vyll. We had a very active, and very well used calendar system, but it was only for the raid mobs that weren't at the top end (old world planes, non-VP Kunark mobs, etc.)

Here is a month of that calendar, courtesy of the wayback machine, Circa Feb 2001. Note there are no mobs on it higher than maybe Innoruuk. (It's also just kind of a cool piece of history!)

[Moerne]

Helps if I include the link:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010203.../lanyscalendar

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey

When you ignore the reality of an argument and instead rely on a false one (eg. by pretending support for rotations equates to wanting instances) you're being dishonest with whatever you're trying to advocate for.

Presumably, if you hard an honest argument you would have used that instead, but you didn't have one. Which makes sense, because rotations are not instances, they're 100% classic EverQuest, and they would in fact be better for the server as a whole ... but worse for the people benefiting most from the current system.

Normally I dont make real arguements in RNF but I'd like to just shine alittle light.

Some people enjoy the competition , I think most dont but what a competitive raid scene allows for is one thing which is the real reason why I think most people dont rotations (including myself tbh).

Now that sounds bad and selfish whatever right ? Well when I think about rotations what comes to mind is that now it's basically just a dice roll on who is gunna get the elite shiny loot from ToV. For instance, maybe Guild A gets a hobarts and ranger sword , but then a couple months later Guild F gets Vulaks Robe, Koi tridents , cloak of thorns whatever. Good loot from x dragons. When there is no longer any hands to be played in who gets the loot, it kinda just devolves into a scenario where theres nothing to progress for and theres not much satisfaction to be gained.

Sure exclusivness isnt a great premise to base your fun off of but let's be honest, if you're in a high end raiding guild / ToV raiding guild, you signed up for pixels. Yeah you meet some cool people but I would wager you dont want to sit in tov for 16 hrs if you take the gamble of getting loot away.

I've raided on this server for a long time now and despite at being a high contributing member in both of my 2 previous guilds, I have never and still to this day do not enjoy the nonsense that goes on in tov and the raid scene in general. But you know what, it's the only way to progress my character and progressing my character is what I find satisfying about this game.

So the idea of rotations is stupid to me because then, why do I care about playing a game where I can afk for 6 months and just show up when it's my turn to open the chest ?

Sort of a bored work downtime rambling but I feel like people avoid this reality or maybe I'm simply alone in this opinion. Who knows, doesnt really matter, tis a game

[Maschenny]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Normally I don't make real arguments in RNF but I'd like to just shine a little light.

So the idea of rotations is stupid to me because then, why do I care about playing a game where I can afk for 6 months and just show up when it's my turn to open the chest?

Exactly this

[loramin]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Normally I dont make real arguements in RNF but I'd like to just shine alittle light.

Some people enjoy the competition , I think most dont but what a competitive raid scene allows for is one thing which is the real reason why I think most people dont rotations (including myself tbh).

Now that sounds bad and selfish whatever right ? Well when I think about rotations what comes to mind is that now it's basically just a dice roll on who is gunna get the elite shiny loot from ToV. For instance, maybe Guild A gets a hobarts and ranger sword , but then a couple months later Guild F gets Vulaks Robe, Koi tridents , cloak of thorns whatever. Good loot from x dragons. When there is no longer any hands to be played in who gets the loot, it kinda just devolves into a scenario where theres nothing to progress for and theres not much satisfaction to be gained.

Sure exclusivness isnt a great premise to base your fun off of but let's be honest, if you're in a high end raiding guild / ToV raiding guild, you signed up for pixels. Yeah you meet some cool people but I would wager you dont want to sit in tov for 16 hrs if you take the gamble of getting loot away.

I've raided on this server for a long time now and despite at being a high contributing member in both of my 2 previous guilds, I have never and still to this day do not enjoy the nonsense that goes on in tov and the raid scene in general. But you know what, it's the only way to progress my character and progressing my character is what I find satisfying about this game.

So the idea of rotations is stupid to me because then, why do I care about playing a game where I can afk for 6 months and just show up when it's my turn to open the chest ?

Sort of a bored work downtime rambling but I feel like people avoid this reality or maybe I'm simply alone in this opinion. Who knows, doesnt really matter, tis a game

So basically, things suck but let's just accept that they can never be any better? I don't agree.

And specifically this part is an incredibly dishonest argument:

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well when I think about rotations what comes to mind is that now it's basically just a dice roll on who is gunna get the elite shiny loot from ToV.

Rotations are not hand outs unless you believe that whole "playing the game of EverQuest" part of things (you know, the gathering a group of people, organizing them into a raid force, coming up with tactics and implementing them to actually kill dragons) is superfluous. And if you do truly believe that then literally everything in the game is a "hand out".

Rotations have NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with hand outs. What they do is give a much bigger percentage of the server access to raid targets they would not otherwise have. And yes, that means the targets have to come from somewhere, and that would mean less for the top guild.

Let's have a debate about that, about whether P99 is better off with lots of people getting to experience lots of content, or whether it's better to have "competition" which keeps all that content in a much smaller percentage of the players hands. Let's have that honest debate, instead of falsely equating rotations to hand outs.