Reset Sleeper's Tomb

[Toomuch]

There is so much drama about who woke it, why, etc. I hate it.

In my opinion, this server is more of a museum than anything else. A museum that use to have a painting of x, or statue of y, or display of z, but talks about how “in this now mostly empty room over here we used to have x, y, and z, but those things don’t exist anymore irl, so we removed the painting/statue/display”, that’s just non-sensical.

I’d love to have a crack at warders and their loot. If that means ancient prismatic instead of primal, cool. If it means warders reset on earthquake only, but no sleeper script (one time deal only), cool. If it means ST including the script resets each earthquake, cool.

I’d like to see the whole museum, please. I don’t want to have to have my experience if the museum be “oh, you should have been there, it was cool, sorry you missed it.”

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Toomuch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is so much drama about who woke it, why, etc. I hate it.

In my opinion, this server is more of a museum than anything else. A museum that use to have a painting of x, or statue of y, or display of z, but talks about how “in this now mostly empty room over here we used to have x, y, and z, but those things don’t exist anymore irl, so we removed the painting/statue/display”, that’s just non-sensical.

I’d love to have a crack at warders and their loot. If that means ancient prismatic instead of primal, cool. If it means warders reset on earthquake only, but no sleeper script (one time deal only), cool. If it means ST including the script resets each earthquake, cool.

I’d like to see the whole museum, please. I don’t want to have to have my experience if the museum be “oh, you should have been there, it was cool, sorry you missed it.”

Bad example. Museums have limited time exhibits all the time.

[azeth]

ST is less of a museum and more like Studio 54

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bad example. Museums have limited time exhibits all the time.

Let us learn from example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZudVf2PNc

Erase all the previous loot dropped, reset everything.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Toomuch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is so much drama about who woke it, why, etc. I hate it.

In my opinion, this server is more of a museum than anything else. A museum that use to have a painting of x, or statue of y, or display of z, but talks about how “in this now mostly empty room over here we used to have x, y, and z, but those things don’t exist anymore irl, so we removed the painting/statue/display”, that’s just non-sensical.

I’d love to have a crack at warders and their loot. If that means ancient prismatic instead of primal, cool. If it means warders reset on earthquake only, but no sleeper script (one time deal only), cool. If it means ST including the script resets each earthquake, cool.

I’d like to see the whole museum, please. I don’t want to have to have my experience if the museum be “oh, you should have been there, it was cool, sorry you missed it.”

This is probably the best argument for respawning Warders and it's fairly good IMO, but I think it comes down to the museum metaphor breaking down a bit in the case of removed content. There simply was no mechanism for respawning the Sleeper during classic for the museum to exhibit. If you allow for respawning the Sleeper, then to be consistent, you also need to allow for Manastones, Guises and Lockets dropping again, allow killing Nagafen with level 60s, and other "you had to be there for that limited window" type content.

Part of what I appreciate about P99 is that Nilbog has a more or less coherent philosophy for what it means for something to be "classic," and Warders respawning just doesn't fit into that philosophy as far as I can see. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is probably the best argument for respawning Warders and it's fairly good IMO, but I think it comes down to the museum metaphor breaking down a bit in the case of removed content. There simply was no mechanism for respawning the Sleeper during classic for the museum to exhibit. If you allow for respawning the Sleeper, then to be consistent, you also need to allow for Manastones, Guises and Lockets dropping again, allow killing Nagafen with level 60s, and other "you had to be there for that limited window" type content.

Part of what I appreciate about P99 is that Nilbog has a more or less coherent philosophy for what it means for something to be "classic," and Warders respawning just doesn't fit into that philosophy as far as I can see. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so what you're saying is that we should have a server-wide reset.
I am 100% for this logic.

RESET THE SERVER GUYS!!!!

[zodium]

What makes you think you'd make it to warders on Green? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is probably the best argument for respawning Warders and it's fairly good IMO, but I think it comes down to the museum metaphor breaking down a bit in the case of removed content. There simply was no mechanism for respawning the Sleeper during classic for the museum to exhibit. If you allow for respawning the Sleeper, then to be consistent, you also need to allow for Manastones, Guises and Lockets dropping again, allow killing Nagafen with level 60s, and other "you had to be there for that limited window" type content.

Well no, not at all, because there is literally precedent from the dev team in allowing not Classic things to be things.

In some cases unavoidable, in some cases just because they think it's easier, and in some cases probably because they don't care enough.

Nevermind that the timeline itself isn't 1:1 accurate, again undermining the point you thought you were making.

Part of what I appreciate about P99 is that Nilbog has a more or less coherent philosophy for what it means for something to be "classic," and Warders respawning just doesn't fit into that philosophy as far as I can see. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now this is probably true.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well no, not at all, because there is literally precedent from the dev team in allowing not Classic things to be things.

In some cases unavoidable, in some cases just because they think it's easier, and in some cases probably because they don't care enough.

Nevermind that the timeline itself isn't 1:1 accurate, again undermining the point you thought you were making.

"If a few things are necessarily or deliberately unclassic, then nothing matters, hence everything can actually be unclassic just fine, according to my big boy brain" is universally the worst and laziest argument for anything on P99. Sorry. You may as well argue that because accounts weren't free in classic, there's no reason not to introduce the Nexus or PoK, because everyone can just make a port bot!

The time thing is just silly. Imagine an actual museum insisting on running an exhibit for the duration of their subject matter. "Come see our exciting exhibition on the early modern period, but don't wait too long, it closes in only three hundred years!" Or, sillier yet, closing the whole museum once it's run for the duration. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never seen a Warder on P99 or Live. By the time I started playing here, they were already dead.

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"If a few things are necessarily or deliberately unclassic, then nothing matters, hence everything can actually be unclassic just fine, according to my big boy brain" is universally the worst and laziest argument for anything on P99.

That's my point, yes.

Talking about Classis/not Classic is universally a waste of time.

It's an issue of what the devs like and don't like.