I had to pull a gun on someone this morning

[Mead]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope. You're absolutely wrong.

Florida is one of the only states where this was completely legal.

Hope this helps.

Prove it to me that you know more about Florida gun laws than I do

I'll be waiting while you read up on the laws

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove it to me that you know more about Florida gun laws than I do

I'll be waiting while you read up on the laws

Florida Statute 776.013 says that you may defend your home or occupied vehicle from anyone trying to unlawfully gain access or entry to it by use of deadly force. Should this kind of incidence occur, you do not need to retreat or fire a warning shot to scare the intruder.

Please suck my dick.

[Mead]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Florida Statute 776.013 says that you may defend your home or occupied vehicle from anyone trying to unlawfully gain access or entry to it by use of deadly force. Should this kind of incidence occur, you do not need to retreat or fire a warning shot to scare the intruder.

Please suck my dick.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone wouldn't stop ringing my doorbell at 4am this morning.


It was the neighborhood crackhead asking for $3.

Like I said, you could go to jail for pointing a gun at someone in the state of Florida who wasn't trying to forcefully enter your home, kidnap, steal, commit arson, or attempt to murder you.

Whether you think so or not, you're 100% wrong.

I'm not the one that needs to worry about it though.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said, you could go to jail for pointing a gun at someone in the state of Florida who wasn't trying to forcefully enter your home, kidnap, steal, commit arson, or attempt to murder you.

Whether you think so or not, you're 100% wrong.

I'm not the one that needs to worry about it though.

"attempting to gain entry"

4am, constantly ringing the door bell, banging on the door.

Sounds like he wanted in.

Law says I can KILL him.

So it's perfectly legal.

Sorry you don't know how to read. Probably should learn at some point.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"attempting to gain entry"

4am, constantly ringing the door bell, banging on the door.

Sounds like he wanted in.

Law says I can KILL him.

So it's perfectly legal.

Sorry you don't know how to read. Probably should learn at some point.

Gain forceable entry might not include knocking. Technicalities matter more than assumptions, right?

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gain forceable entry might not include knocking. Technicalities matter more than assumptions, right?

The law is subjective.

It's based on whether or not I felt my life was in danger.

Now if you want to prove that the milkman delivers at 4am and there's no reason to be worried, then be my guest.

But I'm not letting some crackhead kill me for $3.

[Mead]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The law is subjective.

It's based on whether or not I felt my life was in danger.

Now if you want to prove that the milkman delivers at 4am and there's no reason to be worried, then be my guest.

But I'm not letting some crackhead kill me for $3.

As you describe it, he did nothing to put your life in immediate danger. And just so we're clear, I did not say you couldn't have a weapon on you, to your side, over your shoulder, or across your arms. You know I own guns, I've posted them in the guns thread. You also know I'm ex military, and I've held an active concealed weapons permit for a long time now. The moment you decided to point it at him is when you broke the law. You can lie and say he was trying to break in or attempting to harm you, but you would still be wrong.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The law is subjective.

It's based on whether or not I felt my life was in danger.

Now if you want to prove that the milkman delivers at 4am and there's no reason to be worried, then be my guest.

But I'm not letting some crackhead kill me for $3.

Logic line of castle laws it seems like.

Now, you could have given him thirty dollars in hope of an overdose, or he had the wrong house where in which you could have helped him find his dealer's house. You might have missed your chance to do a good deed for the day.

[rollin5k]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said, you could go to jail for pointing a gun at someone in the state of Florida who wasn't trying to forcefully enter your home, kidnap, steal, commit arson, or attempt to murder you.

Whether you think so or not, you're 100% wrong.

I'm not the one that needs to worry about it though.

sheltered

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said, you could go to jail for pointing a gun at someone in the state of Florida who wasn't trying to forcefully enter your home, kidnap, steal, commit arson, or attempt to murder you.

Whether you think so or not, you're 100% wrong.

I'm not the one that needs to worry about it though.

You "could" go to jail for fucking anything, because you don't go to jail for what you actually do, but for what a judge and/or jury are pretty convinced you did. (Edit - actually, you can end up in jail temporarily just because a cop wants you to be there, but you know what I mean, I hope).

Without reading Florida statutes or caselaw, I'm willing to bet that it's something along the lines of "if it's reasonable to believe/if a reasonable person would believe that someone is trying to gain unlawful entry to their home, then threat of deadly force isn't illegal" ... and go figure, it's fairly damn reasonable to believe someone at your door for an extended period of time at 4 am isn't there to sell you girlscout cookies or deliver a package... especially if you live in a sketchy neighborhood like OP seems to, etc. Totality of the circumstances and whatnot. It doesn't hurt that it turned out to be a crackhead wanting money at the door and that the situation resolved without anyone being injured.

Thanks. Was fun. Keep studying for your LSAT.