There is very little difference between--

[Ahldagor]

Shame based morality led to Ed Gein.

Mick, you're missing the ethical questions of whether or not the individual or the government has the right to abort, and whether or not an individual or a government has the right to enforce determined reproductive qualities and procedures.

[maskedmelon]

Aid,

Your line of reasoning might also lead us to conclude the that homosexuality gave us Dahmer, Christ gave us crusades, borders gave us illegal immigration and guns gave us crime.

Bottomline: the fact that you can kill someone with a spoon does nothing to diminish its utility, nor elevate the level of its threat such that we should stop using spoons.

[maskedmelon]

Also, to clarify social decay, so that nobody is tempted to yoke it to the particular set of phantoms they find most abhorrent:

Increasing rates single motherhood
Increasing rates of depression
Increasing rates of obesity
Increasing rates of dependency

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aid,

Your line of reasoning might also lead us to conclude the that homosexuality gave us Dahmer, Christ gave us crusades, borders gave us illegal immigration and guns gave us crime.

Bottomline: the fact that you can kill someone with a spoon does nothing to diminish its utility, nor elevate the level of its threat such that we should stop using spoons.

You missed the joke, or don't know about Ed Gein who was rather loving of his victims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNFglDcW7dQ

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shame based morality led to Ed Gein.

Mick, you're missing the ethical questions of whether or not the individual or the government has the right to abort, and whether or not an individual or a government has the right to enforce determined reproductive qualities and procedures.

I added the caveat "within reason." I'm talking about things like when your kid bitches about the teacher, you take the adults side and not your whiny ass kid so that they learn they can't be a whiny ass pussy throughout life, nah meAn? I'm not saying you take a ruler and, and you rap it across their knuckles, say "you're going to hell for looking at those playboys you deviant!!!!!!!"

For instance, I have at many times in my life wondered if I should jimmy slam my secretary, who would definitely give it up. I say this not because I have any real attraction to my secretary, or that I don't love my wife. I say it because monogamy does get boring and thirty year old pussy is generally superior to 51 year old pussy. But that's just my animalistic sex drive talking. What I have between my wife, the cumulative sum of experiences from having three kids and nine grandkids, watching them walk, talk, fall, break bones, graduate, have kids of their own, going to Bali, going to South Africa, going back to fucking Iran, seeing where she was born, taking her to where I was when I saw the Iraqi jets being chased out by F-14s over the mountains, not two weeks before they brought my uncle back in a body bag in a Muslim funeral, which none of you could possibly ever understand because you've been taught that Iran is the enemy and that Muslims are subhuman....

There is a consummate love between us that transcends one sexual experience, and I'm not at all saying the shame compels me to remain loyal. What I'm saying is that the things that have guided me in life are based on experience, but also on tradition, and having been taught the right lessons. How many of those lessons are seemingly deeply regressive and characterized by shame? I'd be ashamed if I failed my wife. I'd be ashamed if I failed my daughter. I'd be ashamed if I were a bad example to my sons or my grandsons. I'd be ashamed if I didn't do my all to see America build a wall and dunk Mexico and Venezuela 360 windmill style. If we're all being honest, I think we'd admit a simple truth: That's how dad did it. That's how America does it.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I added the caveat "within reason." I'm talking about things like when your kid bitches about the teacher, you take the adults side and not your whiny ass kid so that they learn they can't be a whiny ass pussy throughout life, nah meAn? I'm not saying you take a ruler and, and you rap it across their knuckles, say "you're going to hell for looking at those playboys you deviant!!!!!!!"

For instance, I have at many times in my life wondered if I should jimmy slam my secretary, who would definitely give it up. I say this not because I have any real attraction to my secretary, or that I don't love my wife. I say it because monogamy does get boring and thirty year old pussy is generally superior to 51 year old pussy. But that's just my animalistic sex drive talking. What I have between my wife, the cumulative sum of experiences from having three kids and nine grandkids, watching them walk, talk, fall, break bones, graduate, have kids of their own, going to Bali, going to South Africa, going back to fucking Iran, seeing where she was born, taking her to where I was when I saw the Iraqi jets being chased out by F-14s over the mountains, not two weeks before they brought my uncle back in a body bag in a Muslim funeral, which none of you could possibly ever understand because you've been taught that Iran is the enemy and that Muslims are subhuman....

There is a consummate love between us that transcends one sexual experience, and I'm not at all saying the shame compels me to remain loyal. What I'm saying is that the things that have guided me in life are based on experience, but also on tradition, and having been taught the right lessons. How many of those lessons are seemingly deeply regressive and characterized by shame? I'd be ashamed if I failed my wife. I'd be ashamed if I failed my daughter. I'd be ashamed if I were a bad example to my sons or my grandsons. I'd be ashamed if I didn't do my all to see America build a wall and dunk Mexico and Venezuela 360 windmill style. If we're all being honest, I think we'd admit a simple truth: That's how dad did it. That's how America does it.

Sensible limits are necessary. I made a missed joke using hyperbole, but Melon chomps on that bad bait every damn time which is an undesired quality in life to me; so in effect I feel that they should be aborted (there's a reason in the reasoning that's not an attempt a nuanced irony). The second part of my post is the crux of the matter, but nobody will want to actually debate those ethical questions even tho' they are the notions pulling the strings.

btw, I don't harbor any ill towards Iran and feel that we should be trading with them more than the Saudis who are two-timing sloths.

[America]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I added the caveat "within reason." I'm talking about things like when your kid bitches about the teacher, you take the adults side and not your whiny ass kid so that they learn they can't be a whiny ass pussy throughout life, nah meAn? I'm not saying you take a ruler and, and you rap it across their knuckles, say "you're going to hell for looking at those playboys you deviant!!!!!!!"

For instance, I have at many times in my life wondered if I should jimmy slam my secretary, who would definitely give it up. I say this not because I have any real attraction to my secretary, or that I don't love my wife. I say it because monogamy does get boring and thirty year old pussy is generally superior to 51 year old pussy. But that's just my animalistic sex drive talking. What I have between my wife, the cumulative sum of experiences from having three kids and nine grandkids, watching them walk, talk, fall, break bones, graduate, have kids of their own, going to Bali, going to South Africa, going back to fucking Iran, seeing where she was born, taking her to where I was when I saw the Iraqi jets being chased out by F-14s over the mountains, not two weeks before they brought my uncle back in a body bag in a Muslim funeral, which none of you could possibly ever understand because you've been taught that Iran is the enemy and that Muslims are subhuman....

There is a consummate love between us that transcends one sexual experience, and I'm not at all saying the shame compels me to remain loyal. What I'm saying is that the things that have guided me in life are based on experience, but also on tradition, and having been taught the right lessons. How many of those lessons are seemingly deeply regressive and characterized by shame? I'd be ashamed if I failed my wife. I'd be ashamed if I failed my daughter. I'd be ashamed if I were a bad example to my sons or my grandsons. I'd be ashamed if I didn't do my all to see America build a wall and dunk Mexico and Venezuela 360 windmill style. If we're all being honest, I think we'd admit a simple truth: That's how dad did it. That's how America does it.

big post. thanks Dad.