Bin Laden's dead

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway, there's some serious tinfoil hat syndrome up in here. I had a little more faith in the p99 RnF community than it deserved, I think.

Too bad you are blinded by american pride to even consider some of these 'alternative' theories.

Just because people read about conspiracy theories, doesn't mean they believe in them 100%. There's a lot of shit going on in the background that us as citizens are never told. I would rather be informed and keep my government in check, rather than just be an ignorant pawn in its plan.

[Ihealyou]

Wehrmacht, you've inspired me to create this adaptation of a classic meme.


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[Turtles]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wehrmacht, you've inspired me to create this adaptation of a classic meme.


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Hah -- I laughed.

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by moklianne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because people read about conspiracy theories, doesn't mean they believe in them 100%. There's a lot of shit going on in the background that us as citizens are never told. I would rather be informed and keep my government in check, rather than just be an ignorant pawn in its plan.

How, pray tell, are you keeping the government in check? By supporting inane conspiracy theories on a video game forum? Do you clutch the remote control in hopes that one of these days, Obama will come up to the podium and say "Hey, you know -- we thought we had a pretty good gig going. But moklianne figured us out. 9/11 was totally planned by us, Osama bin Laden has been dead for a decade, and Jews run the world." Did any of these conspiracy theories prevent the US from staging a decade-long war involving hundreds of thousands of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan? Of course not.

What you're doing is diluting the legitimacy of actual complaints regarding the government. When you support impossibly vast and complex conspiracies, such as: "9/11 was performed by the government", "Jews run the world", "Obama isn't an American citizen", and "the government has been run by aliens for years", you reduce the value of legitimate complaints, ie: those regarding the massive financial bailout that aided the top 0.2% of the nation while taking money out of the pockets of the lower 99.8%.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you're doing is diluting the legitimacy of actual complaints regarding the government. When you support impossibly vast and complex conspiracies, such as: "9/11 was performed by the government"

Yea dude, it's completely unthinkable that intelligence agencies such as the Mossad and the CIA could be involved in 9/11 and much more realistic that mujahideen who are mostly illiterate are far more capable of carrying out such complicated attacks.

Lets totally ignore the fact that Israel has a long history of launching similar attacks in the past and the slogan for their intelligence agency is "by way of deception".

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Jews run the world."

Only thing required to control the world is control of the country with the best military. What does it take to control the US? Arguably only one thing, control of the media. Using that you could control who becomes president, control what politicians are in a good and bad light, who then pass the laws that you want, and it keeps snowballing from there until you gain more and more power.

Shortly after, you have the undisputed most powerful lobby in Washington (AIPAC), and can also filter out anything you don't want exposed in media. You can then get away with pretty much anything.

Is it unthinkable that the Italian mafia could pool together resources and create monopolies that lead to them taking over sectors like this? No, it's not. They have done it before. Why is it unthinkable that a group 10x more cohesive than Italians could do the same thing? Anyone claiming it's not possible or even likely is delusional. Collectivists always form a state within a state and take over societies of people acting as individuals.

They already openly brag about creating monopolies on industry, if they were Italians, people would be crying mafia and want them thrown in prison. They are no different whatsoever:

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[Turtles]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea dude, it's completely unthinkable that intelligence agencies such as the Mossad and the CIA could be involved in 9/11 and much more realistic that mujahideen who are mostly illiterate are far more capable of carrying out such complicated attacks.

Scenario A: A coordinated group of terrorists hijack defense-less planes, fly them into buildings.

Scenario B: An international, bipartisan, multi-government, inter-disciplinary coalition of Jews (and non-Jew Zionists) destroy Twin Towers, skew 9/11 Commission Report, skew NIST debunking effort, skew Popular Mechanics debunking effort, convince bin Laden to admit to having planned the attack, and maintain the cover up for over 9 years with not a single conspiracist coming clean. All in an effort to begin a two-front war against Iraq and Afghanistan, Israel's most notorious enemies (sarcasm).

I'm going to go with Occam's Razor on this one.

By the way, this uber-competent conspiracy of world-dominating Jews and non-Jew Zionists apparently decided to bypass the destruction of Iran or Palestine, Israel's two most potent threats, in order to invade Iraq (one of Iran's regional enemies) and Afghanistan (a country that doesn't and never has mattered to Israel). In the process, they strengthened Iran. Crazy how they're intelligent enough to pull off the conspiracy of 9/11, but they can't pick out the right countries on the map. Shit, you know what? I bet they just misspelled Iran. Are N and Q similar in Hebrew? Maybe they were planning on blaming Hurricane Katrina on Iran. Those crafty Jews...

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scenario A: A coordinated group of terrorists hijack defense-less planes, fly them into buildings.

Scenario B: An international, bipartisan, multi-government, inter-disciplinary coalition of Jews (and non-Jew Zionists) destroy Twin Towers, skew 9/11 Commission Report, skew NIST debunking effort, skew Popular Mechanics debunking effort, convince bin Laden to admit to having planned the attack, and maintain the cover up for over 9 years with not a single conspiracist coming clean. All in an effort to begin a two-front war against Iraq and Afghanistan, Israel's most notorious enemies (sarcasm).

I'm going to go with Occam's Razor on this one.

By the way, this uber-competent conspiracy of world-dominating Jews and non-Jew Zionists apparently decided to bypass the destruction of Iran or Palestine, Israel's two most potent threats, in order to invade Iraq (one of Iran's regional enemies) and Afghanistan (a country that doesn't and never has mattered to Israel). In the process, they strengthened Iran. Crazy how they're intelligent enough to pull off the conspiracy of 9/11, but they can't pick out the right countries on the map. Shit, you know what? I bet they just misspelled Iran. Are N and Q similar in Hebrew? Maybe they were planning on blaming Hurricane Katrina on Iran. Those crafty Jews...

If I may suggest another Scenario:

Scenario C: Western intelligent agencies received information regarding an attack on American soil and they decided to take advantage of the information for their own personal gains.


Macha: A wise man once told me... there's only one rule in this world, a small question that drives all success. The more a man invests in that question, the more powerful that man will become.
Macha: Can you guess what that question is, Mr. Green?
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[Turtles]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I may suggest another Scenario:

Scenario C: Western intelligent agencies received information regarding an attack on American soil and they decided to take advantage of the information for their own personal gains.


Macha: A wise man once told me... there's only one rule in this world, a small question that drives all success. The more a man invests in that question, the more powerful that man will become.
Macha: Can you guess what that question is, Mr. Green?
Macha: What in it for me?

Wayyyy more likely than Scenario B, but I'd still put it significantly behind Scenario A. I just don't think this kind of attack could have been pre-confirmed to the extent that you'd intentionally let it happen. I doubt even Al Qaeda knew it would work before it actually did, let alone the US. You have to consider the thousands and thousands of national security threats that the US deals with on a daily basis. Before 9/11, if one of the 100 potential threats that crossed your desk was "Islamic terrorists planning to hijack planes, use them as weapons", would you consider that a highly credible threat? It probably went in the same pile as "PETA plans to dam Niagara Falls with stolen school buses."

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wayyyy more likely than Scenario B, but I'd still put it significantly behind Scenario A. I just don't think this kind of attack could have been pre-confirmed to the extent that you'd intentionally let it happen. I doubt even Al Qaeda knew it would work before it actually did, let alone the US. You have to consider the thousands and thousands of national security threats that the US deals with on a daily basis. Before 9/11, if one of the 100 potential threats that crossed your desk was "Islamic terrorists planning to hijack planes, use them as weapons", would you consider that a highly credible threat? It probably went in the same pile as "PETA plans to dam Niagara Falls with stolen school buses."

Unfortunately they did anticipate terrorists crashing planes into buildings

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...18-norad_x.htm


"WASHINGTON — In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties." USA TODAY

I'm not saying "y0 d00ds that proves everything, they knew about it longz ago"

I just don't think it was sidelined as you say it was.

[Crover_CT99]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wayyyy more likely than Scenario B, but I'd still put it significantly behind Scenario A. I just don't think this kind of attack could have been pre-confirmed to the extent that you'd intentionally let it happen. I doubt even Al Qaeda knew it would work before it actually did, let alone the US. You have to consider the thousands and thousands of national security threats that the US deals with on a daily basis. Before 9/11, if one of the 100 potential threats that crossed your desk was "Islamic terrorists planning to hijack planes, use them as weapons", would you consider that a highly credible threat? It probably went in the same pile as "PETA plans to dam Niagara Falls with stolen school buses."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O%27Neill

Interesting guy to read up on. Long story short: he was an FBI agent who had been known for his intuition and was sidelined for internal politics. He was hired as the head of security at the WTC soon before 9/11 and died in the attacks. There is a Frontline documentary about him if I remember correctly.

To the point of the original poster, it is likely intelligence about the attack was indeed out there prior to the attack. These kind of loose ends are what fuels alternative theories (I think the blanket conspiracy theory label is disingenuous).