Paladin Epic vs other weapons

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Xaeophi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what do you get when using the Natures Defender? One.. More damage per melee hit and Two.. MORE procs.

Taking your second claim first. No, you do not get more procs. Proc chance per minute is based on dex. Proc chance per swing is determined by your net swing delay (including haste) vs your proc chance per minute. ND will get more procs/swing than any quicker weapon, but same procs/minute as every other weapon.

As for more damage per melee hit, ... if bigger numbers make you feel good i guess that's ok. FD will outdamage ND until/unless late velious combat revamp goes in, at which point they'll be near equal, but the day paladin damage output is actually important to gameplay has never dawned on p99.

[Xaeophi]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taking your second claim first. No, you do not get more procs. Proc chance per minute is based on dex. Proc chance per swing is determined by your net swing delay (including haste) vs your proc chance per minute. ND will get more procs/swing than any quicker weapon, but same procs/minute as every other weapon.

As for more damage per melee hit, ... if bigger numbers make you feel good i guess that's ok. FD will outdamage ND until/unless late velious combat revamp goes in, at which point they'll be near equal, but the day paladin damage output is actually important to gameplay has never dawned on p99.

Im curious about the claims here.
Im only saying the nature's defender would do more damage is not mainly due to the 2 weapon dmg increase. Im looking at the delay. For 2h Weapons, the higher the delay the more bonus damage you get. (the amount is a lot higher the 1h damage bonus) - >

Now about the procs. I think I understand your claim which is your basing the proc rates on a procs per minute scale correct?
Like lets say I wield a weapon hasted for 1 minute and then wield the same weapon not hasted for 1 minute after.
You're claim is the result = same amount of procs occur in a one minute duration?
I know it says it on like the wiki and stuff so im not going to discredit your idea..
But why is it...
For OT hammers... someone could be trying to proc the hammer on someone for what ive seen up to 2 minutes without a proc
And if whenever i need to OT proc i just slow myself and get it off the first swing? ( 90% of the time )

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Xaeophi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im curious about the claims here.
Im only saying the nature's defender would do more damage is not mainly due to the 2 weapon dmg increase. Im looking at the delay. For 2h Weapons, the higher the delay the more bonus damage you get. (the amount is a lot higher the 1h damage bonus) - >

The scaling damage bonus is used to compensate for slower weapons. If the ratios are close but one is 10% (ish) slower if they had the same damage bonus the faster weapon would do consistently more damage. In the law of averages sometimes the ND will our damage the FD and visa versa. Damage per hour though they should be pretty close.

Average hit for the ND will be higher than the FD making it a better joust weapon. That said, an Earthshaker or Narandi is the best droppable Jouster for a Pally unless you have like 100k for a Tantor’s Tusk.

Originally Posted by Xaeophi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now about the procs. I think I understand your claim which is your basing the proc rates on a procs per minute scale correct?
Like lets say I wield a weapon hasted for 1 minute and then wield the same weapon not hasted for 1 minute after.
You're claim is the result = same amount of procs occur in a one minute duration?
I know it says it on like the wiki and stuff so im not going to discredit your idea..
But why is it...
For OT hammers... someone could be trying to proc the hammer on someone for what ive seen up to 2 minutes without a proc
And if whenever i need to OT proc i just slow myself and get it off the first swing? ( 90% of the time )

Law of averages. 1-2ppm for main hand weapons depending on dex. You could go on a streak of 5 in a minute or not see one for 2 mins. Flip a coin 10 times and count up each result, you have a 50/50 chance of either but it’s likely heads or tails will win out. Flip the coin 1000 times and the tally for will be closer.

As your swing over minute goes down your proc chance per swing increases. The Earthshaker procs on average more per “swing” due to the 70 delay. It doesn’t proc more per min unless the RNG gods smile upon you.