The difference between the Play Nice Policy on this server and Everquest in 2000 &...

[Legidias]

Originally Posted by ELance [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3 & 4) Players are immediately threatened with suspensions for sharing mobs with groups who claim ownership in perpetuity by reason of being there first.

As to the last comment, that is insulting and uncalled for. What is "meta"? And why are we changing things? I thought the intent of this server was to emulate Everquest in 1999-2001.

First let me ask you which mob you KS'd / were KS'd on since this sounds personal lol. I will repeat again, I have been part of several camp issues, and know several other people who have been as well, and literally none of them are threatened with suspension immediately. You have to either talk back to the GM or repeatedly challenge camps (badly) for this to happen. So which did you fall in?

It's vaguely insulting because I assume you are trolling. Your account is 2 years old, and theres been LENGTHY discussions on camps in p99 and versus old school EQ.

"meta" is a very common term in regards to games. It refers to the state of the game and what players perceive as the best approach.
From Wikipedia, it "is any approach to a game that transcends or operates outside of the prescribed rules of the game".

The camp discussion is always good, but don't put out fake news like "OMG GM's INSTA BAN PERSON FOR MINOR CAMP DISPUTE".

[ELance]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First let me ask you which mob you KS'd / were KS'd on since this sounds personal lol. I will repeat again, I have been part of several camp issues, and know several other people who have been as well, and literally none of them are threatened with suspension immediately. You have to either talk back to the GM or repeatedly challenge camps (badly) for this to happen. So which did you fall in?

It's vaguely insulting because I assume you are trolling. Your account is 2 years old, and theres been LENGTHY discussions on camps in p99 and versus old school EQ.

"meta" is a very common term in regards to games. It refers to the state of the game and what players perceive as the best approach.
From Wikipedia, it "is any approach to a game that transcends or operates outside of the prescribed rules of the game".

The camp discussion is always good, but don't put out fake news like "OMG GM's INSTA BAN PERSON FOR MINOR CAMP DISPUTE".

If you reread my original post, you will see that there is no mention of killstealing.

This is not fake news. Camps are defined and enforced by GMs on this server. A suspension will be the penalty for a player that does not comply with a GMs request for a player to desist with sharing the mobs of a group who by reason of being at the camp first claims ownership in perpetuity of it.

This is not "personal", far from it. I expected classic Everquest on this server, and have found that not only is the policy different, but is actually the polar opposite of the Play Nice Policy in 2000 and 2001. As to why I seldom come to these forums or have not followed discussions of camping... I was playing the game, and I have not found other points of the game unsatisfactory. That is really an ancient fallacy that you are repeating there about "the forums are the players".

What's more, if it is an issue that sees frequent discussion on these forums, then it bears repeating again and again, for it *differs markedly from Everquest in 2000 and 2001* and is in fact the polar opposite of it, discouraging sharing and encouraging exclusion.

[Menden]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First let me ask you which mob you KS'd / were KS'd on since this sounds personal lol. I will repeat again, I have been part of several camp issues, and know several other people who have been as well, and literally none of them are threatened with suspension immediately. You have to either talk back to the GM or repeatedly challenge camps (badly) for this to happen. So which did you fall in?

It's vaguely insulting because I assume you are trolling. Your account is 2 years old, and theres been LENGTHY discussions on camps in p99 and versus old school EQ.

"meta" is a very common term in regards to games. It refers to the state of the game and what players perceive as the best approach.
From Wikipedia, it "is any approach to a game that transcends or operates outside of the prescribed rules of the game".

The camp discussion is always good, but don't put out fake news like "OMG GM's INSTA BAN PERSON FOR MINOR CAMP DISPUTE".

She was killing gargs that were being camped by the pond group in MM. She was asked by the camp holders to stop, she ignored them. I showed up and told her to stop, she told me no, I told her I'm going to force her to take a break, continues to argue with me.

There ya go, there's the full story.


I, and the other staff members have no problem suspending you for wasting our time and trying lawyer quest us. If you feel we were too heavy handed, you can talk to whoever is above us.

[ELance]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

She was killing gargs that were being camped by the pond group in MM. She was asked by the camp holders to stop, she ignored them. I showed up and told her to stop, she told me no, I told her I'm going to force her to take a break, continues to argue with me.

There ya go, there's the full story.


I, and the other staff members have no problem suspending you for wasting our time and trying lawyer quest us. If you feel we were too heavy handed, you can talk to whoever is above us.

This story doesn't add anything new to the thread, and is mainly irrelevant. I don't know why you wrote this. You have revealed the character of a forum poster, who you might assume wished to be anonymous. I don't wish this to be a personal thread, and even though you have tried to force the issue, I still refuse to make it one. What you wrote does not help or shed further light on the issue.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by ELance [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This story doesn't add anything new to the thread, and is mainly irrelevant. I don't know why you wrote this. You have revealed the character of a forum poster, who you might assume wished to be anonymous. I don't wish this to be a personal thread, and even though you have tried to force the issue, I still refuse to make it one. What you wrote does not help or shed further light on the issue.

Only irrelevant because more people now know the issue, and less will side with you.

[ELance]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only irrelevant because more people now know the issue, and less will side with you.

Good grief... I see this thread was moved to rants and flames. Well it is a private server, and like private property I will not commit the fallacy of thinking that I have a right to do or say anything there. I loved this game, it was my dream game, and this thread was not malicious at all. I was curious why the dream fizzled apart, and in such a stark divergence from classic. I have been told elsewhere (by a senior guide) that Project 1999 has its own rules and intentionally diverges from classic in some ways. That was my answer. I don't agree with it, and it also makes it impossible for me to play here, because I would suffer suspension after suspension, as I believe in a player's right to share mobs with other players, and I think Verant had the right idea about this.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by ELance [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This story doesn't add anything new to the thread, and is mainly irrelevant. I don't know why you wrote this. You have revealed the character of a forum poster, who you might assume wished to be anonymous. I don't wish this to be a personal thread, and even though you have tried to force the issue, I still refuse to make it one. What you wrote does not help or shed further light on the issue.

It may not seem like it, but I've been trying to help you ... or at least trying to help find out if you have something reasonable and useful to contribute.

But when a staff member takes their (already very limited) time to explain details to you, and you're not the least bit appreciative (on the contrary, the tone of your response was almost hostile) ... well, you're on your own now.

[Andakos]

I see the problem here. The OP just got confused about the servers.
Let me help you out.

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[Daallee]

Originally Posted by Andakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see the problem here. The OP just got confused about the servers.
Let me help you out.

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Just curious OP. Would you rather have your version of "Classic camp rules" upheld, give up your character's name, and be solo-griefed out of a camp? I hear they don't have this type of problem over on Red or RoZ

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

She was killing gargs that were being camped by the pond group in MM. She was asked by the camp holders to stop, she ignored them. I showed up and told her to stop, she told me no, I told her I'm going to force her to take a break, continues to argue with me.

There ya go, there's the full story.


I, and the other staff members have no problem suspending you for wasting our time and trying lawyer quest us. If you feel we were too heavy handed, you can talk to whoever is above us.

So your saying OP was trying to trigger the 'share' clause when in truth they were just wanting to monopolise gargoyles under the pond group's nose?