Endgame DPS Rogue vs. Monk vs. Ranger

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see rangers outdps equal geared monks more times in not later game. That's in straight melee

The best ranger weapons range from 0.71 to 0.78

Monk ratios go up to 0.83

Rangers for now have lower weapon skill caps and offensive skill cap.

Kick vs flying kick?


If I’m missing something please enlighten me (not being sarcastic here). If you’re quoting raid parses with full disc burn that’s fine but for raw sustained melee I’m just not connecting the dots. My parsing experiences do not and have never reflected what you’re implying and the raw nuts and bolts do not add up. Monks have superior weapon ratios at most all levels of gameplay. Endgame velious narrows that gap but it still exists and their skill caps are higher.

With chardok 2.0, they also get their own separate and improved tables at 55 and 60, higher minimums on flying kicks, and triple attack at 60.

I’m always open to having my mind changed, so please explain. So not counting a long refresh cool down disc, or melee with a BFG and finite supply of arrows you see rangers routinely beat out monks in straight melee dps?

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Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd they don't have gharns and tunare fists I parse better can parse me yaself if ya want

So ... if you have your BiS ... and they don’t have their BiS ... then you beat them? Cool! I thought we were talking about equal gear levels (ie monks have their content-equivalent class specific superior ratio weapons).

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[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So ... if you have your BiS ... and they don’t have their BiS ... then you beat them? Cool! I thought we were talking about equal gear levels (ie monks have their content-equivalent class specific superior ratio weapons).

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It’s almost as if there’s this idea that rogue > monk > ranger in terms of dps and there’s no exceptions, regardless of gear. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still.. Rangers are for weaponshield, not dps.

Hopes this helps!

[Ivah]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s almost as if there’s this idea that rogue > monk > ranger in terms of dps and there’s no exceptions, regardless of gear. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still.. Rangers are for weaponshield, not dps.

Hopes this helps!

This if your playing a dps ranger your probably part of your guilds shitty problems

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Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have bis, that's baton and claw, I just have kriezens. I'm only moderately geared when it comes to tov gear

Once you crack into velious raid weaponry, you have to consider monk specific weapons. Having those class specific weapons with superior class specific ratios is why, relative to the content being compared, monks maintain superior damage output compared to other non-rogue melee.

My paladin has 34% haste and a velious 2hander. I frequently out dps melee I group with at 47 and hang pretty close to a decently geared rogue I duo with. This doesn’t mean paladins are great dps (lol, they are not) ... it just means my gear is better. My friend is about to finish his rogue epic. When he does, he will leave me in the dust (as he should). Comparably geared and hasted melee beat me hands down by a wide margin every time (as they should)

NToV weapon ratios are shockingly similar with some exceptions. If a monk and ranger have similar ratios equipped, their damage will be a lot more closer. If the monk has his or her velious monk weapons ... well they’re just flat out better in melee dps. The ranger only hopes close the gap by using other abilities. In the case of some of those abilities (spells) the ability to do so is pretty weak. For other abilities like a trueshot burn? Well that’s a potent ability. Under disc it should come as no surprise that rangers can land high on the charts. That ability has a long cooldown.

Rangers? Great class. Super fun. Solid dps ... but not top notch sustained compared with others. What they lack in raw sustained dps they more than make up for with their broad tool kit and spell book.