Request for a different policy on (game-changing) specific item camps

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are adept at talking smack, but so what. Usage of insult and incendiary commentary on the scale that you are now beginning to employ often indicate that either a poster is out of logical arguments, is extremely immature, or both. You do make some sort of attempt at a logical argument amidst all the crap and name calling, but I am not even going to try and address that until you can discourse like an adult.

nah, none of that. I just pointed out about 5 things you couldn't refute, and you didnt. Then you exited the thread, actually went to Droga, and found out the idol/locket/cos wasn't even currently camped. Well done.

[Gnar]

Originally Posted by DoucLangur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll try to be brief and give a good example: Droga, Locket camp and Circlet of Shadow camp.

Situation: A guild keeps the camp locked down. People in zone can not get in queue even though they could even solo the camp. Instead, the guild group calls in reinforcements and works shifts on the camp.

Suggested resolution: Migrate to PVP server, stop blue QQ and PK ppl in your camp. Take what you want, what is rightfully yours. Do you think adventurers back in the olden days took turns robbing dungeons and tombs? No they fucking killed each other and then took the loot.

Reason: Because i almost vomit when i read your post, maybe you dont know about the pvp server inc.

YOU think about it.

Best Regards,

Gnar

Fixed.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nah, none of that. I just pointed out about 5 things you couldn't refute, and you didnt. Then you exited the thread, actually went to Droga, and found out the idol/locket/cos wasn't even currently camped. Well done.

Lolz

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty much through posting on this thread. I've made my points as best I can and it is beginning to belong in R&F the way it's going.

There is another reason. One poster recently stated that we should go and check the camp ourselves. I too had this idea and twice in the past 2 days I have checked it. It was camped yeah, but not by some guild that was locking it down. Once it was a group of of mixed people (no two people with the same guild tag and some with none) and once it was held solo.

It appears that the situation is beginning to resolve itself - either guilds have gotten what they needed, or they've grown tired of doing it, or they've decided to let up a bit and allow natural first come / first served to hold sway.

Or, you know, maybe it was never completely locked down by the big bad uber guilds for quite some time now, and all it took was a little persistence/effort to get the camp, like we've been trying to explain to you and Kika.

[Dr4z3r]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I would hope that that were true. However, I doubt it, and I can't see how you can possibly know with such confidence that it is true.

I know because I've done that sort of camp before. Everyone, without exception, would rather GTFO, but hangs on because they know that having already done it will be a major boon for themselves and their guild.

I can confirm it, because not only did every camp change hands within a week or so, there's also been zero attempts at large scale exploitation of the resources. TMO sold, what, one CoS and one NoS? Hardly rolling in them. Did TR set up shop charing for HS keys? Hardly: they went to HS.

If you can point to one example of a key or piece of loot that a guild has both managed to monopolize and exploit said monopolization of, I will be very surprised.

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nah, none of that. I just pointed out about 5 things you couldn't refute, and you didnt. Then you exited the thread, actually went to Droga, and found out the idol/locket/cos wasn't even currently camped. Well done.

Luckily I said "pretty much done with this thread", so I can allow myself at least this hopefully last post. I'm sick of dealing with people like Bubbles and now Kenzar who think that attempting to belittle or insult an opponent is a winning strategy in a logical argument.

Let me reply to post from a few threads. First of all, in your last post Bubbles, you claimed "nah none of that" as a supposed refutation of one of my previous replies to you. Then, with unmitigated gall, you proceeded to tell me how I "couldn't" refute your own previous post because I didn't. If the incongruity of that is not clear to you I'll just point out that "nah none of that" is not a reasonable nor successful attempt at refutation. According to your own way of thinking, because you didn't refute what I said, you couldn't.

You specifically said there were five things in your post I couldn't refute. Heh, there is precious little in your post that argues against my previous stance. However, since you said I coudn't do it, here we go:

* I am not a fat chick at a bar. I'm not fat, I'm not a chick and I'm not at a bar.

* Stating an opinion is not crying i.e. not "QQ" as you so annoyinly leeted it.

* You cannot substantiate the claim that most people arguing against my stance don't have HS keys or NOSs or lockets or whatever. What did you do, take a poll? Crack into the database and run a query?

* In any event the above claim is irrelevent. You claim that most of the people arguing against my stance "just sucked it up and played elsewhere" instead of QQing. My god. I can't have an opinion on the OPs post about suggesting a rule change because groups of a few people are not playing nice? I guess not - not if it goes against your own.

* You claim to be "sad" because there is nothing you and others not supporting my stance can do for me, that my only a "fleeting moment of joy" is when my "buddy Kika" high fives me. Well, first this is innaccurate, because you could make me happy by changing the way you post or by not posting at all. Beyond that, plenty makes me happy. This game makes me happy. I am not going to quit because Droga was locked down for quite some time. Let me give you a clue about the way adults do things. If there is a rule that seems inequitable to them, they go through proper channels to encourage discussion and possibly get it ammeded. It's ok to do this. It is not crying and it is not being a fat chick. Really. *rolls his eyes*

Here is the real reason you have suddenly tried to go rabid on me: Kika, made a positive comment about a post I made where I defended myself and turned the tables on you. You didn't like that. At all. It's very telling that you include this idea of "my buddy Kida" high-fiving me. Guess that got under your skin. Incidentally, Kika is not my buddy - never met this person/char never talked to them. So there's another refutation of one of your so-called facts.

Now, on to Kenzar, who believes that calling my stance "wearing a tin foil hat", is a powerful refutation of the ideas I have expressed. What's up with some of you people? Can't you just discuss things? MUST you insult as well? It lessens you. In any event, the other thing that you said Kenzar is that you echoe'd someone else's (I forget the name, it was some leet speak combination of letters and numbers) statement that guilds locking down a target in order to camp for loot just to sell has never happened on this server. As support for your confidence in this matter, you state that you are in a raiding guild and have been for a long time. Well, there are other guilds, so again, how can you be so confident. In any event, I simply don't believe it. Not that I really care that much on the whole. Droga is an exceptional case due to one of the drops there being short term.

Finally in reply to Bubbles and YendorLootmonkey's assertion that maybe Droga was never really locked down or that it is no longer locked down, invalidates all that others that I and others have said on this thread: No, it doesn't. It really was locked down for a significant period of time. This was not only a known fact, it was ANNOUNCED by TMO that it was so. Guilds locking out a camp for an extended period of time was and is worth some discussion. You guys who are jumping on me for what I said have to realize that I'm not the only person in the game that detest this idea. Lots of us are not concerned about your guild adancement, which as far as we are concerned can wait, just a you expect individuals to have to wait for their own advancement when a camp is locked down for an extended period (talking weeks here).

You all seem to think it is an admission of defeat that I checked the actual status of Droga recently. Why not. I should keep up with what is actually hapening at this time. I want in there, of course I am going to check. Oddly, you yourselves suggested that people do this, and when they do you think it wipes away the fact that the lockout occurred and could potentially occur again? Anyway, who knows, maybe this thread had an effect on guilds who were performing lockouts?

All that I and others ever really wanted was that "first come first served", means that you physically need to be there. Though camping rules don't state it this way, it is the ad hoc way things typically work. We seem to have reached that stage now that "lockouts" are apparently over. So again, I'm pretty much (hopefully totally) done with this thread.

[Kika Maslyaka]

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[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We seem to have reached that stage now that "lockouts" are apparently over. So again, I'm pretty much (hopefully totally) done with this thread.

Nope... see you back here when epics come out!

[Turtles]

FWIW, I agree with mwatt, and I have more than enough resources to buy a CoS, NoS, locket of escape, Idol of the Thorned, and Gauntlets of Potence at the EC market price. It's not about the items or the plat, it's about the principle.

It's a game. If you want to sit on Trak and batphone 40 grown men at 4AM to kill him, fine -- good for you. You're more dedicated than the people not getting Trak could or would want to be. But that's not the issue here. This thread isn't concerned with people wasting away their RL lives sitting at a camp. This thread pretty much concedes that if you want to sit at a camp for 12 hours, more power to you.

This thread is concerned with the people that can log in and immediately get a stake in an uber-rare camp by leap-frogging anyone that had been waiting -- all due to a guild tag. This thread is unhappy with the fact that a guild of 60+ every-day players is capable of rotating in and out of a camp repeatedly, forever, if they so choose.

Personally, I don't think a rule change would fix anything. There's always a way around. But I agree that it's a shitty situation and people shouldn't be dicks. Share. Reward someone who has been waiting for 10 hours rather than hooking up your guildie that logged in 15 minutes ago.

[Kika Maslyaka]

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