Sullon/Training Rules

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Crazycloud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I doubt people will train raids and if they do, cya later.

Almost every raid on TZVZ was trained when I played even though it was against the rules. It's not even possible to police this because things like the following:


1) Let's say it's a big guild vs guild fight in hate or fear, there's 78 Heresy chasing me, I have 20% hp left. I run straight into a giant wall of mobs and suicide myself, half of them will be retarded and follow me in, they may end up killing their whole raid off from aggro. Did I train them? Not really, but there will be 30 GM petitions and forum posts for it.

2) Some guy is chasing me in GUK / Sebillis / etc, I'm an FD class and decide to screw the guy over, I take a 1 foot detour to the side that aggros a mob (easy plausible deniability) then FD. Mob aggros him, I stand up and we both kill him. Even if there is FRAPS, it wasn't obvious what I did and is basically my word against his, 400 gm petitions and forum posts ensue.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to police training. The only logical option is Sullon Zek rule set and implement an easier corpse recovery method to prevent everyone from quitting like giving Priest of Discord the ability to summon corpses that have been dead for X amount of hours.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Vendar

good post sir, to be fair though, i never once said SZ was not hardcore. i 100% believe that SZ was the most hardcore server that allowed PvP. i just don't think its an accurate representation of what EQ PvP is, and if SZ is the only PvP server you played on at the highend level then i feel sorry for you.

That being said however, i am saying that training, needless griefing, and repeatedly raping people 20 levels below you is not PvP, and it does not in any way require any skill, strategy, or tactics, nor does it represent true EQ PvP. there is ZERO pvp skills involved in training, griefing noobs, and raping kids 20 lvls below you. the ONLY thing that was great about SZ was the hardcoded no cross teaming (as i think u or someone else may have mentioned).

as far as you destroying me, well its pointless to argue over a hypothetical situation, but i just got my Air Jordan shoes and i look forward to seeing you on the court [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I tried to play on the other pvp servers, but I kept getting whining tells about how I "ganked" them and didn't give them a "fair" fight. Fuck that.. I'm here to win and if that means hangin around until you're at half health, so be it.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I tried to play on the other pvp servers, but I kept getting whining tells about how I "ganked" them and didn't give them a "fair" fight. Fuck that.. I'm here to win and if that means hangin around until you're at half health, so be it.

I attacked some troll SK on TZVZ named Sirdario while he was fighting a froglok, he started going "STOP, EXCUSE ME SIR, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, I WASN'T PROPERLY RESTED".

Obviously a TZ player :|

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht

SZ rule set is the best. Only problem is that it does lower the population eventually. Most people just don't have the time to devote to 24 hour long corpse runs to plane of hate with another guild in zone camping corpses or training you with spite golems as soon as you zone in.

I think in order to have a successful server population with Sullon Zek rule set, there has to be an easier way to get corpses. At the very least, be able to get the priest of discord in your home town to summon your corpse for you if it's been dead for 24 hours. I'd make it shorter than that though. Something like 4 hours.

That would keep enough average players on the server where it's actually fun instead of just 100 mq2 cheaters.

Like I have said before, the rules set did not hurt the population, it was the release of PoP that fucked over pvp.

Oh noes! Someone is coming! Head for the book!

[mimixownzall]

I say just no training your team. This worked fine on SZ. especially the way mob aggro works on p99.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Almost every raid on TZVZ was trained when I played even though it was against the rules. It's not even possible to police this because things like the following:


1) Let's say it's a big guild vs guild fight in hate or fear, there's 78 Heresy chasing me, I have 20% hp left. I run straight into a giant wall of mobs and suicide myself, half of them will be retarded and follow me in, they may end up killing their whole raid off from aggro. Did I train them? Not really, but there will be 30 GM petitions and forum posts for it.

2) Some guy is chasing me in GUK / Sebillis / etc, I'm an FD class and decide to screw the guy over, I take a 1 foot detour to the side that aggros a mob (easy plausible deniability) then FD. Mob aggros him, I stand up and we both kill him. Even if there is FRAPS, it wasn't obvious what I did and is basically my word against his, 400 gm petitions and forum posts ensue.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to police training. The only logical option is Sullon Zek rule set and implement an easier corpse recovery method to prevent everyone from quitting like giving Priest of Discord the ability to summon corpses that have been dead for X amount of hours.

I guess after 200+ posts in a week, I was bound to agree with one of them. At least partially.

[Pudge]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is zero chance I will play a red EQ server with GM policing, it leads to everything we saw on the shit box.

it's sad man, but for every one of you there will be 3 others to fill your place when training is prohibited

[Abysis]

Vote training/corpse camping/bind camping all legal.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rules are for fucking faggots.

[Nobb]

As opposed to "no rules" as some people seem to be, the argument against them does hold water.

Playing on a red server on live pretty much meant extremely limited GM intervention. Outside of conduct that SoE saw as harassment, like use of racial slurs, I rarely heard of GM's taking any action. The only in game "rules" that existed were constructed and enforced by the players. People who were douche bags were treated accordingly and most other people were treated fairly. As scary as it sounds to have "no rules" it's really not so bad.

It was not until much later in the life of TZ that I even heard of GM intervention taking place and I think it was because people were using hacks. My memory is a bit rusty, but I think PDM used some kind of zone cm delete crap to crash disco/indignation on Emperor when he was at 1%.

While intervention in that case was easily warranted, I don't see any reason to overburden the staff by having them try to police the server on their own. A task that I feel is really impossible anyway.

The live pvp servers had tons of underhanded bullshit going on all the time and yet many of us stuck with it. So, outside of keeping people from hacking I really don't see a reason why the success of the server will be directly linked to the presence of big brother.