What is your most elitist Everquest viewpoint?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Vormotus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I kinda am behind this mindset myself.

It makes me feel weird RPwise (I know I know) why someone would be agnostic in a world where the literal gods walk around and do pretty impressive stuff.

Reminds me a bit of that Discworld Tale within a Tale (bless Pratchett) of the Agnostic guy in Discworld that the gods regularly threw stones at his house when bored ... lol , you know, for not believing in them!

Also Offler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

[Nagoya]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

The only problem with that is that "agnostic" is a real word with a real definition, and it is closer to the latter than the former [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] if it was called "Flaputitious" with your definition then sure np!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only problem with that is that "agnostic" is a real word with a real definition, and it is closer to the latter than the former [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] if it was called "Flaputitious" with your definition then sure np!

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

Agnostic makes MORE sense in EQ. Norrath is saturated in magic and the supernatural. Any mortal can become a being of incredible power. The 'gods' are also incredibly powerful beings, but not beyond reproach. The line between mortal and god blurs.

I can see how a woke young adventurer could be apprehensive to a god's godliness, fallible as gods are and with so many gods competing for attention.

[Rygar]

I am judgmental about people who play for years but don't research at least one solid submission to make the project more classic. People like that lazy punk Manasana (shots fired!)

[Nagoya]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

Yes.... but no.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magic

1 a : the use of means (such as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces
b : magic rites or incantations

2 a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source Both pitchers, although they are older, haven't lost their magic.
b : something that seems to cast a spell : enchantment
all the mystery, magic and romance which belong to royalty alone —J. E. P. Grigg

3 : the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand entertained with acts of jugglery and magic

and https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic

1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

2 : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something (political agnostics)

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words have meanings dude.

Agnosticism in Everquest makes absolutely no sense.
Even in regards to Jimjam's response (which makes more sense), you could argue that Agnostics don't commit to the knowledge of any godly entity above the Everquest gods, but that doesn't make the current gods less godly, they create life. On that point though, the definition of "God" is much more vague than Magic or Agnostic, so fine, i'll concede that point to Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stand by my 'elitist' view that anyone playing an Agnostic character fails at EQ tho :P

[Vormotus]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agnosticism in Everquest makes absolutely no sense.
Even in regards to Jimjam's response (which makes more sense), you could argue that Agnostics don't commit to the knowledge of any godly entity above the Everquest gods, but that doesn't make the current gods less godly, they create life. On that point though, the definition of "God" is much more vague than Magic or Agnostic, so fine, i'll concede that point to Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stand by my 'elitist' view that anyone playing an Agnostic character fails at EQ tho :P

I support it too, exactly for these reasons and within the logic of the EQ Mythos itself.

Agnosticism in this game is like ... being a Flat Earther. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


Note: Just kidding guys eh? :P

[Tnair]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agnosticism in Everquest makes absolutely no sense.
Even in regards to Jimjam's response (which makes more sense), you could argue that Agnostics don't commit to the knowledge of any godly entity above the Everquest gods, but that doesn't make the current gods less godly, they create life. On that point though, the definition of "God" is much more vague than Magic or Agnostic, so fine, i'll concede that point to Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stand by my 'elitist' view that anyone playing an Agnostic character fails at EQ tho :P

My DEF rogue is Agnostic, which while for sure is the wrong word for Norrath, is a deliberate RP choice to indicate seeing a broader world that the one espoused by Innoruuk followers. I mean, you can *kill* Innoruuk and take his gear and body parts for your own use .. not much of a god.

My people are sadly misguided. Look at the Indigo Brotherhood, their viewpoint leads them to thinking the Crushbone orcs are worthy allies! Their emperor is as strong as the lowliest Dragoon!

Agnostic in Norrath is "I'm .. not sure you should call that a god". More literal interpretations lead to inescapable knowledge that your religious choice is a developer error. Which is a crap feeling.

I guess that's, like, my elitist viewpoint on your elitist viewpoint? Or something .. I swear I'm still on topic somehow .. <3

[Quizlop]

Originally Posted by Tnair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My DEF rogue is Agnostic

I think choosing to play a DEF rogue exonerates you from the crime of being agnostic.

Dark Elf Rogue might be the worst race/class combo from any perspective besides roleplay.

[mefdinkins]

also elitist view, you're crazy if you only play one char.

some people take the elite view you're a scrub if you have 10 alts that aren't bis but i'd rather have 5 solid geared alts than 1 BIS char.