40 day raid ban

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't that the exact point I'm trying to make? Some guild leaders take chances that could get their guild suspended, some don't. If you don't like getting suspended, pick a guild leader who doesn't roll the dice when it comes to breaking the rules.

The problem here is it is not mutually exclusive. A / A takes chances while killing raid mobs, Anonymous does this much less. As the saying goes: if you play with fire, you're going to get burnt.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem here is it is not mutually exclusive. A / A takes chances while killing raid mobs, Anonymous does this much less. As the saying goes: if you play with fire, you're going to get burnt.

Why do you have to 'take chances' with mobs you've already killed a few dozen times?

I appreciate your honesty with this post ... but honestly ... what's the point?

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you have to 'take chances' with mobs you've already killed a few dozen times?

I appreciate your honesty with this post ... but honestly ... what's the point?

Mistakes happen. It's the same as when you go outside and drive to work. Every day you drive you take a chance of getting into an accident. The polls and stuff we do are where most of the mistakes happen, not the encounter themselves.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem here is it is not mutually exclusive. A / A takes chances while killing raid mobs, Anonymous does this much less. As the saying goes: if you play with fire, you're going to get burnt.

I keep repeating "if you don't want to be suspended, don't join guild that break the rules", and people keep coming back with "well it's apples and oranges, because Anonymous doesn't try to break the rules."

That is exactly what I'm saying! Anonymous isn't missing out on Tormax and similar A/A targets because we don't break the rules, we're missing out because we don't have enough people on at the right times to take those targets. But if we had enough, we absolutely could take them without breaking the rules, as could any guild of the appropriate size.

No one has to break the rules. Everytime a guild does so their leadership is making a calculated decision to break the rules in order to have a better chance at mob X (or to get back at another guild for taking mob X). But they don't have to make those choices, and if they didn't (as plenty of other guilds somehow manage to do) they wouldn't eat suspensions.

This isn't rocket science.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep repeating "if you don't want to be suspended, don't join guild that break the rules", and people keep coming back with "well it's apples and oranges, because Anonymous doesn't try to break the rules."

That is exactly what I'm saying! Anonymous isn't missing out on Tormax and similar A/A targets because we don't break the rules, we're missing out because we don't have enough people on at the right times to take those targets. But if we had enough, we absolutely could take them without breaking the rules, as could any guild of the appropriate size.

No one has to break the rules. Everytime a guild does so their leadership is making a calculated decision to break the rules in order to have a better chance at mob X (or to get back at another guild for taking mob X). But they don't have to make those choices, and if they didn't (as plenty of other guilds somehow manage to do) they wouldn't eat suspensions.

This isn't rocket science.

It's always been about what they can get away with within the rules, or get away with without being caught, and how good you can make yourself look on the forums while doing it. The best thing you can do is just enjoy being really casual or get out of this joint

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep repeating "if you don't want to be suspended, don't join guild that break the rules", and people keep coming back with "well it's apples and oranges, because Anonymous doesn't try to break the rules."

That is exactly what I'm saying! Anonymous isn't missing out on Tormax and similar A/A targets because we don't break the rules, we're missing out because we don't have enough people on at the right times to take those targets. But if we had enough, we absolutely could take them without breaking the rules, as could any guild of the appropriate size.

No one has to break the rules. Everytime a guild does so their leadership is making a calculated decision to break the rules in order to have a better chance at mob X (or to get back at another guild for taking mob X). But they don't have to make those choices, and if they didn't (as plenty of other guilds somehow manage to do) they wouldn't eat suspensions.

This isn't rocket science.

That is just completely false. If KT spawned at 6pm est on a Sunday and you wanted to compete in it and kill it you absolutely could. Does that mean you dont risk making a mistake during this time? No. Because no one is perfect. If you think that you could flawlessly kill any target you ever wanted to but dont just because you dont have the force, you are sadly mistaken.

[Detoxx]

You all have this twisted reality that we just cheat and break rules on purpose. The problem is never breaking the rule, the problem is making it right after. A petition for a train would never happen if the offending guild agrees they made a mistake and concede the mob.

[beargryllz]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except for the Aw 30 day where they conceded it and still got petitioned by dumdums.

See this is the part I don't get. That particular day there were like 5 or 6 guilds trying to do ToV. 1 mob is about to go down and AW trains the raid.

That's cool, they'll just concede. But it's kinda not cool. It's kinda bullshit because it was only by extreme fortune that the trained raid could recover and get another shot at it

Otherwise, why wouldn't I just make a fresh guild with 3 members in it to train ToV entrance and be like "lol concede" and watch my friends kill the dragon after the wipe is done?

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can understand if you guys were salty because it actually cost you the mob but it didn't. You ended up getting it. I'm not saying it's a rule that you can only petition if you lost the mob or anything, it's just a weird thing to get bent out of shape about. Given that it should have been very obvious that Awakened didn't do it on purpose because there was nothing to gain from it and it actually hurt them since they had to concede Fesh too. This might seem crazy but 99% of the trains you see from A/A are just people messing up by accident. We suck sometimes.

exactly

[Llodd]

Oh all you a/a ppl proclaiming shady shit doesn't happen and it's all unintentional is hilarious.

And then calling out casuals for being clueless about the raid scene. . Priceless =P