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Old 04-06-2018, 09:06 PM
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lets see Sedativexs video too pls
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:07 PM
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will somEbody please confim if it is Detoxx or Mr. Toxxic
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:12 PM
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Nacht, you got a clip of the scene your avatar is from? Been lookin for it since I hit level 50 on Kunark.
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:21 PM
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I mean Pezy clicked the mob in the video and assisted. It was on Bruize. There was no way anyone could have flopped it on him because Bruize was with them in the Fraps when the first FD happened well past the mobs he trained.

Looks like Diamondfist is just mad because his guild played bad and the other guild asked for it to be fixed.
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:24 PM
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Nacht, you got a clip of the scene your avatar is from? Been lookin for it since I hit level 50 on Kunark.
Just looked with no luck. I'm on my phone right now though. I might have to edit it myself
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:25 PM
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My point being with sneak up you can't agro wyvs where Bruize was. Now that I've had time to see all of this I'm more happy that the offer was rejected by AM. The videos in this thread prove only that both AM and Bruize got ganked by Wyvs. What it doesn't show is who actually caused the chain agro on them first of all. The big bully tactic almost won, but maybe you guys realized you would get in potentially more trouble if you took the loot on your wolf crying as well? Probably only worth the risk to you if gharns was on the body.

Just so you, and all other monks on the server know:

https://imgur.com/a/TRg6r

Is -still- in LoS of the wyvern door.

What it -DOES- show is what caused the chain agro first of all. Notice how that black ebon hatchling attacks Bruize despite not being kos? That's established social agro. There is no way to force social aggro on to another player. The non-kos hatchling engages him as soon as his big ass train gets in range to social aggro that hatchling. Notice how it doesn't attack anyone else? It's a non-kos mob. It would only engage IF the player it engages has pre-existing threat. Like Bruize. It attacks -no one- else.

Notice that there's no "lets out a piercing roar as it charges forward!" messages on to Bruize? That's because the initial trigger of the wyvern trap was out of range for /say to trigger. Notice how there's none at all in the entire video? That's because nobody feigns and drops aggro onto him. If ANYONE had pulled them out and feigned on to him, there would be 14 messages in chatbox saying they had engaged a new target. If someone other than Bruize was to blame, there would be evidence abundant via chat box spams on mobs, or videos of people getting plowed/feigning in wyvern hall. There is none.

Also, there's no social aggro for him to have picked up there. He would be a 100% new threat entity, so the triggers would have positively gone off -- and if they hadn't, it would mean he deliberately got on their threat table and pulled into the pull path instead of accidentally. So either he accidentally did it, or deliberately did it. Which would you prefer?

Notice how that message about "lets out a piercing cry as it charges forward" goes off when Bruize feigns death in both videos? That's a re-engage message. Those mobs have specific messages to announce when they have acquired someone on their threat table. As soon as Bruize feigns, they begin going out in mass and slaughtering people.

But hey man, you keep drinking that Breaken koolaid. PM me when you want off the sinking ship and I'll set up your AM app.
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:32 PM
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My point being with sneak up you can't agro wyvs where Bruize was. Now that I've had time to see all of this I'm more happy that the offer was rejected by AM. The videos in this thread prove only that both AM and Bruize got ganked by Wyvs. What it doesn't show is who actually caused the chain agro on them first of all. The big bully tactic almost won, but maybe you guys realized you would get in potentially more trouble if you took the loot on your wolf crying as well? Probably only worth the risk to you if gharns was on the body.
Fake News

You almost got me to log in my monk to compare Bruize's fraps to my own monk running by. But I will let you figure this one out on your own personal time.
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:33 PM
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Jonabis when a mob in ToV is agroed it gives out an engage call of sorts, like "rages towards you ydayda" not and FTE but just a white text showing that you have gotten agro. This means that if you drop such a mob within the proximity of another play it will give out a new call.

As you can see in the fraps, no such new call was given when these mobs went for Bruize. Thus they had been after him the entire time.

Furthermore in the removed fraps from Bruize you can see that he takes sneak off. It was super unlucky and looks like it was just at the very last point of being able to agro the Wyverns. If you go into ToV and test how far along the back wall you can move while still agroing (without sneak) you will see that its almost half way through the hallway as the LoS needs to be broken by the corner on the left hand side.

It was bad luck. Sorry Bruize.

To those whom are not baptized in EQ lawyerquesting. The most dangerous thing you can do is to ask for a concession, because if you are wrong you are fucked and Sirken will bend you over and destroy you. We have paid for this dearly in the past, even when being right but with our evidence lacking. Ergo defacto if you believe Awakened is innocent you should be happy that we asked for a concession and you refused. I guess what I'm trying to say is, why post this thread then? Why offer loot? Why offer to concede the next two Vulaks? Shouldn't your response be to smile all the way to the bank?

Anyhoo I just wanted to talk mechanics tbh.

The way this has been handled by Awakeneds leadership reminds me of that time they straight up asked Hijal if he had started to run out for a new sow before Vulak spawned thus having a massive false start in the FTE race. He told them yes, and they told him to keep quiet about it because "AM won't be able to prove it" and proceeded to kill it. Just like they did this time.

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Old 04-06-2018, 09:39 PM
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Awakened just concede the next two vulaks and move on. Bruize fucked up, it's not the end of the world. You guys just got off a 30 day vacation, why would you possibly risk another suspension over something this blatant. Whether Bruize initially aggroed them or not doesn't really matter, hes the one who brought them to the Aary hallway.

Want an easy fix? If your guild doesn't have FTE keep your ass by the hub or get cothed to Dagarn ledge.
pretty sure that was offered and denied?
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:39 PM
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Awakened just concede the next two vulaks and move on. Bruize fucked up, it's not the end of the world. You guys just got off a 30 day vacation, why would you possibly risk another suspension over something this blatant. Whether Bruize initially aggroed them or not doesn't really matter, hes the one who brought them to the Aary hallway.

Want an easy fix? If your guild doesn't have FTE keep your ass by the hub or get cothed to Dagarn ledge.
We offered two Vulak and Toxx refused.
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