Name Changes

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no.

Just curious, what's your objection to the basic heuristic of:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't rocket science people: if your name clearly means something non-Everquest-related when most people see it, it doesn't belong. If your name is the same as something obscure that most people have never heard of, it's fine.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just curious, what's your objection to the basic heuristic of:

Every time I see the name Loramin, I can't help but think of this

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Have to admit, I wish I never seen this image of Loramin on a box. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every time I see the name Loramin, I can't help but think of this

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Have to admit, I wish I never seen this image of Loramin on a box. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wish I hadn't either (had no idea it was a drug name before this whole conversation started).

But you didn't answer my question. Loramin, the drug name, is extremely obscure: as I said my character shows up three times on the first page when you google it. 99% of all players do not see "Loramin" and think "that's a marketing alias of the drug ___" ... they'll think it's a fantasy name. However, 99% of players who see "Winchester" will think of the gun, family, mystery house, etc.

So again, I ask: what's your problem with banning names that obviously mean something non-EQ to most people? If you honestly believe people should be able to have names that clearly mean something non-EQ-related, just say so.

[jakerees]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wish I hadn't either (had no idea it was a drug name before this whole conversation started).

But you didn't answer my question. Loramin, the drug name, is extremely obscure: as I said my character shows up three times on the first page when you google it. 99% of all players do not see "Loramin" and think "that's a marketing alias of the drug ___" ... they'll think it's a fantasy name. However, 99% of players who see "Winchester" will think of the gun, family, mystery house, etc.

So again, I ask: what's your problem with banning names that obviously mean something non-EQ to most people? If you honestly believe people should be able to have names that clearly mean something non-EQ-related, just say so.

It becomes less obscure the more it is discussed here. The name Loramin must be changed.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by jakerees [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It becomes less obscure the more it is discussed here. The name Loramin must be changed.

Sometimes sacrifices MUST be made for the greater good. Step up to the block.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wish I hadn't either (had no idea it was a drug name before this whole conversation started).

But you didn't answer my question. Loramin, the drug name, is extremely obscure: as I said my character shows up three times on the first page when you google it. 99% of all players do not see "Loramin" and think "that's a marketing alias of the drug ___" ... they'll think it's a fantasy name. However, 99% of players who see "Winchester" will think of the gun, family, mystery house, etc.

So again, I ask: what's your problem with banning names that obviously mean something non-EQ to most people? If you honestly believe people should be able to have names that clearly mean something non-EQ-related, just say so.

I just think a little empathy goes a long way, and the way some people antagonized others when it first went down was retarded.

I don't know if there could have been a way to start implementing it this late without it ruffling a lot of feathers, and as I said before p99 staff have no obligation to explain what they do when they do it etc., but that doesn't mean it's necessary to antagonize people over it.

At this point, I think most have determined how they will deal with this change, it's not so shocking to us, we have adapted and processed the fact names got changed and I personally can have fun with it, even though I don't particularly care for how it was done.

If you need an answer regarding "Winchester," I honestly don't think of a gun when I see the name. The name is a surname of common, ordinary people, I see no problem with it being used as a name for a player character in a fantasy game.

I also do not see a problem with Loramin, but the name is literally scripted across drug boxes and I am sure it also has a copyright infringement agreement with it's usage, but I suppose since it's not a famous drug like Motrin it doesn't matter then, right?

I find it a bit hypocritical for you to take this stance, but understand why you do so too, regarding why you think "Winchester" should not be allowed as a name here yet "Loramin" should be fine.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also do not see a problem with Loramin, but the name is literally scripted across drug boxes and I am sure it also has a copyright infringement agreement with it's usage, but I suppose since it's not a famous drug like Motrin it doesn't matter then, right?

There are a lot of obscure names in use all of the world. Like only considering trademarks you've got a hundred ... thousand ... every quarter ,,, in the USPTO alone. If you want to ban every trademark yo're looking at 100k names being removed every quarter from P99, just from American trademarks (not counting global trademarks or other forms of American IP).

The point of the naming policy is not to blindly prevent anyone from naming a character from ever using a name previously used somewhere in human history. That doesn't do anyone any good. The point of the policy is to make it so that when you're playing your elf sim with your elf buddies Skarlorn and Phenyo, you don't have your immersion broken when Pap Smear joins your group .,. because you, Phenyo, and Skarlorn all think of an uncomfortable process a woman has to undergo when she's pregnant when they see that name.

But if "Thoracic" wants to join your group, it's not going to have that immersion breaking effect, because "Endoscopic Thoracic Sympathectomy" is not a common procedure that would break most people out of their elf sim world.

It's 100% legitimate to hold the opinion "I should be able to have a character named Machine Gun", and it's 100% legitimate to think "any name that anyone can prove was ever used anywhere ever should be banned". I wouldn't agree with either, but they're legit, logically defensible positions. But anyone who wants to pretend like they can't differentiate between names 99% of the server would recognize and names 99% of the server wouldn't is just trolling.

P.S.

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just think a little empathy goes a long way, and the way some people antagonized others when it first went down was retarded.

In this much we are agreed: whatever pleasure some of us might get (from P99 becoming closer to the way we remember it on live) by enforcing the rules does not necessitate a bunch of schadenfreude over people losing names they've had for half a decade or more.

[Phenyo]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every time I see the name Loramin, I can't help but think of this

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Have to admit, I wish I never seen this image of Loramin on a box. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every time i see loramins smug posts i think of this medication. He clearly is in violation of the naming policy and must be CORRECTED.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Phenyo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every time i see loramins smug posts i think of this medication. He clearly is in violation of the naming policy and must be CORRECTED.

Yes, corrected just like Phenyo should be, because Phenyo Mongala is a "famous" Kenyan soccer player!

... or wait, do you agree with me Phenyo? Obscure references for names are fine, but ones that everyone on the server will recognize aren't?

[Phenyo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, corrected just like Phenyo should be, because Phenyo Mongala is a "famous" Kenyan soccer player!

... or wait, do you agree with me Phenyo? Obscure references for names are fine, but ones that everyone on the server will recognize aren't?

Well no, its just a name and not a product or trademark. (also its just a forum account nice try!)