hey red99ers

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand this post because the majority of people against teams aren't SZ or TZ players, they're Heresy members that didn't even play EQ live PvP. Personally I'm for teams as it would create a server with higher population. Anything with more than 2 teams is not viable though.




I already outlined the easiest way to implement a 0 rules system in this post, it involves the addition of Shadowrest or just giving the Priest of Discord the same abilities:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=31288

3 teams could work. As long as there are teams I don't care if it's two or three, so long as it's teams.

I'm not sure about the other pvp servers on live, but on sullon zek POP is what killed the server. Not the rules set... not the team make-up. The books and instanced raids ruined pvp.

Were teams unballanced at times? Yes. But, what you found is people switching up teams for multiple reasons: too many people on this team, too many douchebags on that team, making new friends from other guilds and forming your own guild on a different faction... people would switch a lot.

This also gave people other alternatives if they got bored or started hating the people around them.

[Prince]

need @ least 3 teams maybe 4

[Knuckle]

there is absolutely no way to hardcode training to not be feasible without breaking the pve mechanics of pulling and breaking dangerous dungeons etc.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is absolutely no way to hardcode training to not be feasible without breaking the pve mechanics of pulling and breaking dangerous dungeons etc.

I don't know if you're talking about what I said but I didn't say hardcode it to prevent training from happening.

I said make it a 0 rules server but add the shadowrest zone and it would summon corpses every X number of hours (i would choose 4). That way there isn't a need for any loot and scoot or training rules. If a person wants to camp you, they can do it and you gotta log off 4 hours and come back then go get your corpse from shadowrest.

Could give the priest of discord in every town the ability to transport you to shadowrest then back again. This alone would solve like 90% of GM intervention problems.

[wehrmacht]

You could also do it without shadowrest and just have the priest of discord do it or give the priest of discord in each town the ability to summon your corpse if it's been dead for at least 4 hours. There were just way too many GM problems on TZVZ that revolved around corpse retrieval and corpses that were located at raid mobs when multiple guilds fought there.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know if you're talking about what I said but I didn't say hardcode it to prevent training from happening.

I said make it a 0 rules server but add the shadowrest zone and it would summon corpses every X number of hours (i would choose 4). That way there isn't a need for any loot and scoot or training rules. If a person wants to camp you, they can do it and you gotta log off 4 hours and come back then go get your corpse from shadowrest.

Could give the priest of discord in every town the ability to transport you to shadowrest then back again. This alone would solve like 90% of GM intervention problems.

This is fucking retarded...

Why not just log off for 1 hour and come back to see your corpse uncamped? Why not round up some friends and fight to get your corpse back?

Did you every really play on Sullon Zek (I can't remember if you claimed to have played there)? I doubt it. It sounds like you want stuff watered down. Maybe it would be better to retain a population, but I doubt it.

If you were getting CC'd it was absolutely no problem at all to get some people to help you get your corpse back.

Of course, I was evil, if it was different on newts or goods I don't know.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is fucking retarded...

Why not just log off for 1 hour and come back to see your corpse uncamped? Why not round up some friends and fight to get your corpse back?

Did you every really play on Sullon Zek (I can't remember if you claimed to have played there)? I doubt it. It sounds like you want stuff watered down. Maybe it would be better to retain a population, but I doubt it.

I played a monk in Ruin then a warrior in Tides of Wrath during PoP for a while. My suggestion isn't to make any retards from TZVZ happy. It's to create a server that doesn't require any GM intervention and retain a server population over 50. I could give a flying crap what anyone from TZVZ thinks.

The idea is to have all the rules hardcoded into the game so it doesn't require GM's running around. If you make it so corpses are summoned into Shadowrest every X number of hours, then you have hardcoded prevention of corpse camping, loot and scoot, and all the other stuff that people whine about.

It isn't "blue" players that whined about corpse camping. Rexx was whining up a storm when we were camping his corpse when they wiped while trying to contest Voxx one time. He started pulling the "let's just be men about it, we don't all have the time to deal with all this stuff anymore". I guess you could argue that Rexx is a blue player but it is stupid to have any rules that aren't hardcoded.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played a monk in Ruin then a warrior in Tides of Wrath during PoP for a while. My suggestion isn't to make any retards from TZVZ happy. It's to create a server that doesn't require any GM intervention and retain a server population over 50. I could give a flying crap what anyone from TZVZ thinks.

The idea is to have all the rules hardcoded into the game so it doesn't require GM's running around. If you make it so corpses are summoned into Shadowrest every X number of hours, then you have hardcoded prevention of corpse camping, loot and scoot, and all the other stuff that people whine about.

It isn't "blue" players that whined about corpse camping. Rexx was whining up a storm when we were camping his corpse when they wiped while trying to contest Voxx one time. He started pulling the "let's just be men about it, we don't all have the time to deal with all this stuff anymore". I guess you could argue that Rexx is a blue player but it is stupid to have any rules that aren't hardcoded.

Or, you can set the rules and tell people to either suck it up, or gtfo.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or, you can set the rules and tell people to either suck it up, or gtfo.

No need to have rules on a PvP server. Hardcode whatever you want rules to be. Is it that hard to understand. You're advocating a system that requires someone running around on a GM 24 hours a day policing everyone.

[Koota]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is absolutely no way to hardcode training to not be feasible without breaking the pve mechanics of pulling and breaking dangerous dungeons etc.

This is the most atrocious sentence I've ever read.