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Old 12-18-2017, 12:05 AM
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The Cold War would've always been cold

The USSR didn't even have china as an ally and couldn't hope to possibly win an all out conflict with the west

Nukes gave the soviets staying power. So did oil. They've never actually had anything to offer. Cold War would've happened because of natural disagreements between the two preeminent powers given that there were no natural agreements between the two. Even without nukes, why would the soviets risk a war with the US by invading Europe? Maybe they could win, but it's doubtful. In the long run, they were fucked, just as in the long run Russia is pretty fucked today

Nukes keep India and Pakistan from all our war. They prevented nothing between the soviets and NATO, assuming you grant Russians the capacity for rational self interest. Also, you argued that dropping the bombs on Japan was needed to demonstrate our nuclear arsenal. You think a test on a deserted island in the pacific wouldn't mean as much? Human beings didn't need to be incinerated to prove a point.
Excellent stuff here. Most of the US Top Brass was against using the a bomb on Japan, who had been sending out peace feelers for a while. Truman was a pretty weak man who often vascillated between the views of his advisors. Ultimately, anti Soviet oligarchs convinced him to hit the Japanese people. I believe also that Truman yearned to finally feel like HE was the bully. He was a weak piece of shit who only got to Presidency due to DNC corruption and humanity's bad luck. He basically needed the ABombs destruction as a crutch in order to manage his meetings with Stalin.
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Old 12-18-2017, 04:37 AM
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got no beef with fash but did you just cuck out and change your avatar because of pokes?

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Old 12-18-2017, 09:34 AM
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got no beef with fash but did you just cuck out and change your avatar because of pokes?

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Pretty sure he had to change it after myself, Pokes and Loramin all drew attention to his offensive posts and BS avatar he thought was clever and cute.

Finally a guide or mod seen it and/or our posts and "dealt" with this troglodyte.

Thank you whoever cucked Fash into changing his avatar, it was well-needed. Glad he has a nice more suitable one in it's place now. Good boy, Fash.
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Old 12-18-2017, 02:36 PM
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got no beef with fash but did you just cuck out and change your avatar because of pokes?

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I don't think Pokes had too much issue with it. Seemed more like Lhancelot didn't like it.

I've had it for like a year and nobody seemed to get the reference, so I was thinking of changing it back to a Hoppe reference before Lhancelot got rustled over it in the other thread. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Thank you whoever cucked Fash into changing his avatar, it was well-needed. Glad he has a nice more suitable one in it's place now. Good boy, Fash.
I'll make it a kitty in honor of Lhancelot's avatar.
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Old 12-18-2017, 07:51 PM
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I'll make it a kitty in honor of Lhancelot's avatar.
It's cute even though you seem obsessed with SS Nazi caps for some reason.

I disagree with Lulz, this third avatar incarnation is better than the second. It's clearly visible and has a nice aesthetic presentation.
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Old 12-19-2017, 01:57 AM
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It's cute even though you seem obsessed with SS Nazi caps for some reason.
As Russell Brand says, Hugo Boss uniforms look fashionable and "fucking fantastic".
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Old 12-18-2017, 01:55 PM
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Excellent stuff here. Most of the US Top Brass was against using the a bomb on Japan, who had been sending out peace feelers for a while. Truman was a pretty weak man who often vascillated between the views of his advisors. Ultimately, anti Soviet oligarchs convinced him to hit the Japanese people. I believe also that Truman yearned to finally feel like HE was the bully. He was a weak piece of shit who only got to Presidency due to DNC corruption and humanity's bad luck. He basically needed the ABombs destruction as a crutch in order to manage his meetings with Stalin.
Actually, Truman was misled by his military advisers. He was under the impression that Hiroshima was a military base (with no women and children around) and that the casualty numbers would be much lower.

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This weapon is to be used against Japan between now and August 10th. I have told the Sec. of War, Mr. Stimson, to use it so that military objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women and children. Even if the Japs are savages, ruthless, merciless and fanatic, we as the leader of the world for the common welfare cannot drop that terrible bomb on the old capital or the new.
Afterwards Truman didn't want to look bad, so he pretended the whole thing was 100% what he intended, which helped compound the historical inaccuracy.
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Old 12-18-2017, 02:06 PM
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Actually, Truman was misled by his military advisers. He was under the impression that Hiroshima was a military base (with no women and children around) and that the casualty numbers would be much lower.



Afterwards Truman didn't want to look bad, so he pretended the whole thing was 100% what he intended, which helped compound the historical inaccuracy.
it's a good thing we have heartwhisperers to deduce the noblest intents of bland statements devoid thereof to ordinary minds.
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Old 12-18-2017, 02:10 PM
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it's a good thing we have heartwhisperers to deduce the noblest intents of bland statements devoid thereof to ordinary minds.
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so that military objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women and children
What part of that requires "heart whispering" to understand?

Also if anyone is heart whispering it's NPR, because I learned that from a show they did a few months back
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