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[loramin]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

youre missing the point of the words though sorry, cant keep this up! but you're still wrong! and actually greedy and evil for your belifes are grounded in good intentions, like those men that built the atom bomb... they just happened to extinguish the lives of millions of innocent people in the process.

oh yea and their invention has put us at great risk and damaged the world in irreparable ways forthwith.. so will modern western feminism.

Wow, it's not often that I find myself arguing against a conservative on the side of causing military casualties! But you're taking a very narrow view if you think the atom bomb only cost the lives of the people of Hiroshima/Nagasaki with no benefit. Had we not dropped the bomb we still would have won the war, but both sides would have lost a ton more people (more than the bombs took).

And that's just USA vs. Japan ... when Japan wasn't even our real audience, the USSR was. Without the atom bomb it's very likely that WW3, between us and the commies, would have followed not too long after WW2. The only reason we had the cold war instead (which certainly cost lives, but nowhere near as many as a "hot" war) was because of the atom bomb.

(And even with it we still almost had WW3 anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov)

Oh and women getting equal treatment under the law to men is going to "ruin the world"? That's like 1940's thinking, but keep pushing it, I'm sure it's popularity will only grow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, it's not often that I find myself arguing against a conservative on the side of causing military casualties! But you're taking a very narrow view if you think the atom bomb only cost the lives of the people of Hiroshima/Nagasaki with no benefit. Had we not dropped the bomb we still would have won the war, but both sides would have lost a ton more people (more than the bombs took).

And that's just USA vs. Japan ... when Japan wasn't even our real audience, the USSR was. Without the atom bomb it's very likely that WW3, between us and the commies, would have followed not too long after WW2. The only reason we had the cold war instead (which certainly cost lives, but nowhere near as many as a "hot" war) was because of the atom bomb.

(And even with it we still almost had WW3 anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov)

Oh and women getting equal treatment under the law to men is going to "ruin the world"? Hyperbolize much?

Except that Stalin never wanted to export the revolution and china was against the USSR for a very long time

Also, MAD applied without a demonstration on cities

Finally, Russia, like the soviets before them, could never match western economics and needed nukes to even the stakes. In short, stick to arguments about feminism

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except that Stalin never wanted to export the revolution and china was against the USSR for a very long time

Also, MAD applied without a demonstration on cities

Finally, Russia, like the soviets before them, could never match western economics and needed nukes to even the stakes. In short, stick to arguments about feminism

So are you arguing the cold war didn't happen? Because I'm pretty sure it did. And again, without the bomb it would not have been "cold" at all. As I said, the fact that we very nearly had WW3 even with the bomb just shows how willing the countries involved were to battle each other.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So are you arguing the cold war didn't happen? Because I'm pretty sure it did. And again, without the bomb it would not have been "cold" at all. As I said, the fact that we very nearly had WW3 even with the bomb just shows how willing the countries involved were.

The Cold War would've always been cold

The USSR didn't even have china as an ally and couldn't hope to possibly win an all out conflict with the west

Nukes gave the soviets staying power. So did oil. They've never actually had anything to offer. Cold War would've happened because of natural disagreements between the two preeminent powers given that there were no natural agreements between the two. Even without nukes, why would the soviets risk a war with the US by invading Europe? Maybe they could win, but it's doubtful. In the long run, they were fucked, just as in the long run Russia is pretty fucked today

Nukes keep India and Pakistan from all our war. They prevented nothing between the soviets and NATO, assuming you grant Russians the capacity for rational self interest. Also, you argued that dropping the bombs on Japan was needed to demonstrate our nuclear arsenal. You think a test on a deserted island in the pacific wouldn't mean as much? Human beings didn't need to be incinerated to prove a point.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think a test on a deserted island in the pacific wouldn't mean as much? Human beings didn't need to be incinerated to prove a point.

I think you and I have a very different perspective on human nature. I 100% disagree that bombing a random island has the same effect as bombing a bunch of people. Now I understand how that's a completely irrational statement: either way you demonstrate your bomb right? But the thing is, humanity is not a rational species, and we react (strongly) to seeing massive numbers of other humans die.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Cold War would've always been cold

The USSR didn't even have china as an ally and couldn't hope to possibly win an all out conflict with the west

Nukes gave the soviets staying power. So did oil. They've never actually had anything to offer. Cold War would've happened because of natural disagreements between the two preeminent powers given that there were no natural agreements between the two. Even without nukes, why would the soviets risk a war with the US by invading Europe? Maybe they could win, but it's doubtful. In the long run, they were fucked, just as in the long run Russia is pretty fucked today

Nukes keep India and Pakistan from all our war. They prevented nothing between the soviets and NATO, assuming you grant Russians the capacity for rational self interest. Also, you argued that dropping the bombs on Japan was needed to demonstrate our nuclear arsenal. You think a test on a deserted island in the pacific wouldn't mean as much? Human beings didn't need to be incinerated to prove a point.

Excellent stuff here. Most of the US Top Brass was against using the a bomb on Japan, who had been sending out peace feelers for a while. Truman was a pretty weak man who often vascillated between the views of his advisors. Ultimately, anti Soviet oligarchs convinced him to hit the Japanese people. I believe also that Truman yearned to finally feel like HE was the bully. He was a weak piece of shit who only got to Presidency due to DNC corruption and humanity's bad luck. He basically needed the ABombs destruction as a crutch in order to manage his meetings with Stalin.

[AzzarTheGod]

got no beef with fash but did you just cuck out and change your avatar because of pokes?

pushover

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

got no beef with fash but did you just cuck out and change your avatar because of pokes?

pushover

Pretty sure he had to change it after myself, Pokes and Loramin all drew attention to his offensive posts and BS avatar he thought was clever and cute.

Finally a guide or mod seen it and/or our posts and "dealt" with this troglodyte.

Thank you whoever cucked Fash into changing his avatar, it was well-needed. Glad he has a nice more suitable one in it's place now. Good boy, Fash.

[fash]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

got no beef with fash but did you just cuck out and change your avatar because of pokes?

pushover

I don't think Pokes had too much issue with it. Seemed more like Lhancelot didn't like it.

I've had it for like a year and nobody seemed to get the reference, so I was thinking of changing it back to a Hoppe reference before Lhancelot got rustled over it in the other thread. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you whoever cucked Fash into changing his avatar, it was well-needed. Glad he has a nice more suitable one in it's place now. Good boy, Fash.

I'll make it a kitty in honor of Lhancelot's avatar.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Excellent stuff here. Most of the US Top Brass was against using the a bomb on Japan, who had been sending out peace feelers for a while. Truman was a pretty weak man who often vascillated between the views of his advisors. Ultimately, anti Soviet oligarchs convinced him to hit the Japanese people. I believe also that Truman yearned to finally feel like HE was the bully. He was a weak piece of shit who only got to Presidency due to DNC corruption and humanity's bad luck. He basically needed the ABombs destruction as a crutch in order to manage his meetings with Stalin.

Actually, Truman was misled by his military advisers. He was under the impression that Hiroshima was a military base (with no women and children around) and that the casualty numbers would be much lower.

Originally Posted by Truman's Diary July 25, 1945, (the day Truman ordered the bomb)

This weapon is to be used against Japan between now and August 10th. I have told the Sec. of War, Mr. Stimson, to use it so that military objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women and children. Even if the Japs are savages, ruthless, merciless and fanatic, we as the leader of the world for the common welfare cannot drop that terrible bomb on the old capital or the new.

Afterwards Truman didn't want to look bad, so he pretended the whole thing was 100% what he intended, which helped compound the historical inaccuracy.