My Theory About Why Feminism is Currently Irrelevent to Millenials

[fash]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But still I don't think the fact that human beings are flawed disproves the relevance of rights groups.

Heh, of course. That wasn't my point. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But, do you think they raised legitimate points?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But, do you think they raised legitimate points?

"White supremacy will be strengthened, not weakened, by women’s suffrage."
"The enfranchisement of women would insure immediate and durable white supremacy"

History seems to have proven both of those wrong, as I'm pretty sure white supremacy as a belief has declined since then. No legit points there.


"Alien illiterates rule our cities today; the saloon is their palace, and the toddy stick, their scepter. The colored race multiplies like the locusts of Egypt."

The context of that quote was that she had just come back from the South and was bitter that her temperance (no booze) campaign had failed, so she was blaming black people. Hard for me to have any sympathy for someone like that. She probably has a legit point about "illiterates" though. After all it's to be expected that a people only a few generations removed from slavery (when literacy was punishable by death), and who were still heavily repressed, might not have the best reading skills.


"What will we and our daughters suffer if these degraded black men are allowed to have the rights that would make them even worse than our Saxon fathers?"

Flat out racist; everyone deserves rights, even if that's somehow inconvenient for Elizabeth Cady Stanton. But you have to keep people's context in consideration before judging them, and she was from a different time so ... /shrug I'm not judging her, I just don't think she has a legit point.


"The white men, reinforced by the educated white women, could ‘snow under’ the negro vote in every state, and the white race would maintain its supremacy without corrupting or intimidating the negroes."

Yeah, white people had lots of options for disenfranchising black people (aka Jim Crow), and they continued to do so up until the civil right movement (and after too, to a lesser extent). Saying white people had ways to screw over black people during that era is plain and simple history, ie. definitely a legit point.

[JurisDictum]

This article describes a little bit of what I've been on about:

The movement to stop sexual harassment in the workplace will eventually move past this moment of shocking allegations against famous men, and should soon focus on the many nonfamous people in quotidian circumstances. But top news organizations are not likely to provide as much due diligence about those cases. No doubt many disputes will more resemble those on campus, in that the charges will be about ambiguous situations for which there is little evidence. This amazing moment has a chance to be truly transformative. But it could also go off track if all accusations are taken on faith, if due process is seen as an impediment rather than a requirement and an underpinning of justice, and if men and women grow wary of each other in the workplace. As Laura Kipnis, a feminist professor at Northwestern, writes in her book, Unwanted Advances, “I can think of no better way to subjugate women than to convince us that assault is around every corner.”

The author (Emily Yoffe) is focused on due process given to non-famous men...

She as an older elite woman herself can't completely see how different it is for millennial middle class and working class men. But she does much better than I expected. Most rich white feminists, expect there to be plenty of working class and middle class men playing power games with female co-workers and inferiors.

It doesn't occur to them that Millennial men simply aren't as arrogant and backward as people like Bill O'Reilly. They have seen and experienced sexism. They see sexist bosses getting away with shit... So the assumption is that's how the entire country is structured.

But the lower orders are frankly -- a lot more feminist. Especially the younger generation. We don't the luxury of smacking some girls ass and risking ruining our life. That's only something older rich guys get arrogant enough to do. And BTW -- they do this because they know it's wrong. That's what makes it exciting for them. It's not like we all need a big education in what's is and isn't appropriate behavior. They just need a kick in the balls and the rest of society can move on.

I don't know if Obama can take credit for this shift. But the author gives Obama a lot of credit (indirectly) for making the younger generation less sexist. She also claims he is partially responsible for the negative side effects of kangaroo courts in college, and rape hysteria.