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Old 12-06-2017, 05:18 AM
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22 BMI here,

18.6% body fat, if the dodgey old scales are to be believed, which maybe they aren't as they had my hydration pretty low (I had 56% water content of someone above 50s and I'm not quite that old yet).

That basically says I'm in the healthy range, but maybe could do a bit more muscle mass? I've not studied fitness for a long time, any advice? I know we got some fitness freaks on the forum, even if a lot of them sound like bodybuilding baloon men.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:24 AM
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22 BMI here,

18.6% body fat, if the dodgey old scales are to be believed, which maybe they aren't as they had my hydration pretty low (I had 56% water content of someone above 50s and I'm not quite that old yet).

That basically says I'm in the healthy range, but maybe could do a bit more muscle mass? I've not studied fitness for a long time, any advice? I know we got some fitness freaks on the forum, even if a lot of them sound like bodybuilding baloon men.
You can go the Physical Therapist rout if you have insurance. A lot of them basically just turn into personal trainers.

Your best bet is a credible personal trainer or some kind of exercise class. Yoga might add some muscle mass if you want to avoid barbells. But muscles are best developed with barbells IMO. But you need someone to make sure your form is good.

In the meantime Id just get comfortable with the squat motion because it seems most people that aren't active need to work on it.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:29 PM
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You can go the Physical Therapist rout if you have insurance. A lot of them basically just turn into personal trainers.

Your best bet is a credible personal trainer or some kind of exercise class. Yoga might add some muscle mass if you want to avoid barbells. But muscles are best developed with barbells IMO. But you need someone to make sure your form is good.

In the meantime Id just get comfortable with the squat motion because it seems most people that aren't active need to work on it.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:50 PM
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But muscles are best developed with barbells IMO.
disagree i only use barbell for rows, outside of dumbbells. anything else that can benefit from a barbell like shoulder press or incline pressing is done by smith machine.

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disagree i only use barbell for rows, outside of dumbbells. anything else that can benefit from a barbell like shoulder press or incline pressing is done by smith machine.

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Basically the opposite of what you said is true. Smith machine is good for inverted row only. Otherwise its better to balance the weight with your muscles.
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:46 AM
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Basically the opposite of what you said is true. Smith machine is good for inverted row only. Otherwise its better to balance the weight with your muscles.
Basically reading comprehension. Dumbbells require even more control and balancing but start getting dangerous past 80lbs.

Not everyone's bodies grow the same and since dumbbells require full body growth of multiple muscle groups just to be able to safely handle them I can understand the need for your kind to promote buttbell incline presses
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:58 PM
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disagree i only use barbell for rows, outside of dumbbells. anything else that can benefit from a barbell like shoulder press or incline pressing is done by smith machine.

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Do you know about iso vs compound movements? I do a lot of iso workouts and I'm pretty big; or as big as I want to be, but I see some skinny fuckers at the gym who are way stronger. I'm not sure if it's age, genetics, or me doing the wrong workouts.
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:43 AM
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Do you know about iso vs compound movements? I do a lot of iso workouts and I'm pretty big; or as big as I want to be, but I see some skinny fuckers at the gym who are way stronger. I'm not sure if it's age, genetics, or me doing the wrong workouts.
There are different types of muscle fibers in the body, and different people have them in different ratios. This is one reason.

Another reason is a lot of people interested in body building don't stretch off properly after strength training; stretching off allows muscles to grow more densely and prevents muscles from balooning when they repair themselves (but a lot of body builders aspire for a baloon man look).

Finally, improving strength and improving appearance though linked are two different objectives. Often someone working on their muscles for appearance will try to develop relatively small/weak 'vanity' muscle groups for visual impact, such as their pecs or biceps, whereas someone interested in actual strength that is for use and not show will not obsess over making gains in these areas.

I'm sure there are more reasons for leanies having more strength versus big meanies, but these are some of the reasons I recall from when I studied some physiology modules like 14 years ago. I suspect some of my knowledge is now outdated/wrong so I'd love to be corrected / updated!
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:17 AM
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Big compound movements train your central nervous system. Its also a little bit more challenging (interesting IMO) to master the movements for stuff like lowbar squats than things like lunges. It encourages posture and balance.

They are telling people of all ages atm that they should start strength training and they should learn big barbell movements ideally. They are particularly good for newbies to develop foundational strength.

They also found that your testosterone dips after an hour in the gym or so (cortisol starts to kick in). So its actually the best to work out an hour at a time...unless your on steroids. Then it is better to work out as much as you want 6 days a week. Keep that in mind when looking at professional work out plans.

So most people do an hour x3 days a week full body. But some do a x2 a day plan if their serious (an hour ea.). Cardio is only done for like 20-30 mins in a separate session of strength training. It's considered very important to eat protein right after working out. Some do schedules like: STR in morning, then HIIT at night (where you get str and cardio). but its important to put enough rest time between work outs (4-8 hours same day, 48 hours between days...I think it goes up to 3 days between workouts 40+).
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