Why are most of the artists in the USA democrats?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't get it: are you suggesting that millions of people who came together to fight systemic police abuse magically all got hoodwinked into hateful violence by politicians saying what people wanted to hear? It seems to me that what those millions of people wanted to hear (well, really more "see") is an end to police abuse, not a call to violence. Sure violence advocates might convert (and in fact did convert) some BLM members to radical violence, but where's the Trump of the BLM? Where's the politician converting all those peaceful BLM rights advocates into violent radicals? Heck, where's even something close to the Black Panther movement from the 60s?

Not to mention, where is all this violence? Even if you say there were only a few hundred thousand real/active people in BLM (not the millions that joined demonstrations and such), there's been so few acts of BLM violence they can't even amount to 0.1% of the movement. Similarly there isn't even 1% of the BLM movement advocating for violence (or if I'm wrong, point me to the articles/blogs/whatever).

First off you need to prove the millions claim. Secondly I believe you are forgetting that it started over Mike Brown, who was a drug dealing shop lifter, and gained attention due to the false whitness reports along with misinformation from liberal news stations like CNN. The "movement" still hasn't been able to prove that police violence towards minorities isn't directly related to those minorities crime rates.

Their first rallies all ended in riots where large portions of cities and towns were vandalized. Baltimore and Ferguson are just two examples. This movement topped out in the thousands and never reached millions of supporters.

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Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Their first rallies all ended in riots where large portions of cities and towns were vandalized.

Imagine how they felt when they realized they vandalized and set fire to businesses in their own neighboorhoods.

Oh, wait. We have video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SxHOLWiUnA

"Take that shit to the suburbs! Burn their shit down! We need our shit! We need our weaves! I don't wear it, but we need it."

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off you need to prove the millions claim. Secondly I believe you are forgetting that it started over Mike Brown, who was a drug dealing shop lifter, and gained attention due to the false whitness reports along with misinformation from liberal news stations like CNN. The "movement" still hasn't been able to prove that police violence towards minorities isn't directly related to those minorities crime rates.

Their first rallies all ended in riots where large portions of cities and towns were vandalized. Baltimore and Ferguson are just two examples. This movement topped out in the thousands and never reached millions of supporters.

Ok, let's start with the millions thing: measuring membership in social movements is hard. It's not like everyone who believes in and supports BLM goes to a webpage and registers. But all you need is basic math to see it has to be in the millions.

There are 326+ million people in America. For "millions" to be accurate, only 2 million, or 0.6% of the population would have to support BLM. Do you really think less than 0.6% of America supports BLM?

Second, you're 100% wrong about it starting with Mike Brown; hell it didn't even start with Rodney King. African-Americans in our society have been dealing with police brutality and harassment since the moment they were freed, and they've been fighting it for just as long. BLM is just a continuation of MLK's and Malcom X's fight, which in turn continued the fight that came before.

As for:

The "movement" still hasn't been able to prove that police violence towards minorities isn't directly related to those minorities crime rates.

You sort of have a point: African-Americans (as a logical function of their history) have higher crime rates. And certainly, if cops are arresting criminals, and African-Americans make up more of the criminals, they'll get arrested more.

But none of that has anything to do with the stuff BLM is fighting, stuff like police brutality and false arrests/convictions. No one, whatever their race, deserves to live in fear of the police, to be beaten by police, or to be falsely arrested and/or convicted.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But none of that has anything to do with the stuff BLM is fighting, stuff like brutality and false arrests/convictions. No one, whatever their race, deserves to live in fear of the police, to be beaten by police, or to be falsely arrested and/or convicted.

I know you want BLM to be what you think it is but it's not:

Carlson began the interview by reading an excerpt from a statement disseminated by BLM regarding the controversy:

Being intentional about being around Black People is an act of resistance. This is an exclusively Black Space so if you do not identify as Black and want to come because you love Black People, please respect the space and do not come.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...cial-exclusion

the irony that the only white person allowed to come to the BLM rallies is the one woman the liberals cannot stand.

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know you want BLM to be what you think it is but it's not:

I know you want BLM to be the big boogeyman in the night, but it's not.

C'mon, read your own article:

Earlier this month, Durden, a professor of media and effective speech at a New Jersey community college

One community college professor does not speak for an entire movement of millions of people.

But ...

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

welcome back lor the threads were getting boring yesterday w/o u

Thank you; unfortunately my life involves other things more pressing than elf sim forums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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gasp! nothing is more pressing than the elf sim forums!

but like hayjin said.

Liberal movements are these nebulous amoebas that, yeah start off innocently enough, but as they allow anyone of anytype to join the movements, they become very disjointed, mixed up, and bad.

BLM started off fine, but it went into full on anti cop anti white anti this anti that. Its just out of control

Idk if you remember the 1% rallies, they started off with good intentions too, but by week 9 were full of nudists holding up signs about oppresion camping out on wallstreet.

Liberal movements are open to the bottom of society, so they spin out of control REAL fast...

Resist was a movement that was meant to get people to fight against a government that was about to take control of our lives, but instead of fighting against actual policy like taxes and regulation, its about sex, hollywood, and russian boogymen.

Your cause, as an individual may be valid, but the one you fight side by side with strangers for, the big picture, is just different than what YOU are fighting for, and what you are fighting for gets forgoten about, since there is no room in a hive mind for logic and fair rulings.

Which is why all lower class uprisings fail, historically.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, let's start with the millions thing: measuring membership in social movements is hard. It's not like everyone who believes in and supports BLM goes to a webpage and registers. But all you need is basic math to see it has to be in the millions.

There are 326+ million people in America. For "millions" to be accurate, only 2 million, or 0.6% of the population would have to support BLM. Do you really think less than 0.6% of America supports BLM?

Second, you're 100% wrong about it starting with Mike Brown; hell it didn't even start with Rodney King. African-Americans in our society have been dealing with police brutality and harassment since the moment they were freed, and they've been fighting it for just as long. BLM is just a continuation of MLK's and Malcom X's fight, which in turn continued the fight that came before.

As for:



You sort of have a point: African-Americans (as a logical function of their history) have higher crime rates. And certainly, if cops are arresting criminals, and African-Americans make up more of the criminals, they'll get arrested more.

But none of that has anything to do with the stuff BLM is fighting, stuff like police brutality and false arrests/convictions. No one, whatever their race, deserves to live in fear of the police, to be beaten by police, or to be falsely arrested and/or convicted.

So, fabricating numbers and making assumptions is now how you prove your claims? I am sorry but no, there were never 2 million plus people who supported BLM. It has been extremely localized to minority communities and extremists. They have not proven a single claim in regards to police brutality targeting race and ethnicity. They literally have to set up buses to bring in instigators because they dont have enough support in the communities they try to protest in. They have taken over other protests and celebration in order to push their own agendas, but you cant count those appropriated by this movement as its actual supporters.

It was in fact started by 3 black women who were heavily influenced by a convicted cop killer who is currently living in Cuba. It has nothing to do with MLK or Rodney King, which is a funny example that you should go back and read what really happened to. You are trying to correlate the BLM movement with the civil rights movement among others, which is just a false equivalency since they are in no way actually related.

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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But none of that has anything to do with the stuff BLM is fighting, stuff like police brutality and false arrests/convictions. No one, whatever their race, deserves to live in fear of the police, to be beaten by police, or to be falsely arrested and/or convicted.

Your views are unrealistically ideal about these groups (BLM, feminism, etc). You disregard the actual behavior of people in these groups, essentially committing a no true scotsman fallacy.

A mob of people marching and chanting in the name of BLM demand dead cops and burn down their neighboring businesses because a criminal (in a specific ethnic group) committed a crime and suffered the consequences. Hmm.. maybe that was some anomaly or a rogue element? Oh, wait, nope. It keeps happening repeatedly over and over...

"But none of that has anything to do with the stuff BLM is fighting."

You have to judge people on their actions, not the abstract ideal they hide behind.