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[Gumbo]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Invising while running and insta invis if fading. Popping out of fd and invising without agro. You can't do that with your spell. It's actually painful for me to even think about that. Breaking charm is another good use. You can get away with not having one for sure, but you're gimping a necros capabilities. And necro at full potential really stands out.

Originally Posted by Zemus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are running through a dangerous area and your invis starts to fade you can refresh your invis without it ever breaking. Or if you are training mobs somewhere you can re-invs on the run so you don't get smashed by mobs ahead of you. You can do the same thing with a ring of shadow but it only has 3 charges. Main instances that come to find are plane of sky and VP.

If you charm undead you can break your charm instantly they don't care that it's not invisibility vs undead. Even invisibility vs animals works for this.

You can also use it in conjunction with feign death. FD, pop up and quickly invis without gaining agro.

I can understand the whole running and staying invisible or breaking charm. Speaking of which, I don't think I have ever seen a Necro use charm on a live mob or an undead mob. But I do solo a lot so maybe they do it in groups?

Feign Death has never been a problem for me. Maybe it's because I have the mob fight with my pet while I'm casting Darkness then Fear. So if I do need to cast FD then the mob is more busy with my pet than thinking about me...

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Gumbo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can understand the whole running and staying invisible or breaking charm. Speaking of which, I don't think I have ever seen a Necro use charm on a live mob or an undead mob. But I do solo a lot so maybe they do it in groups?

Feign Death has never been a problem for me. Maybe it's because I have the mob fight with my pet while I'm casting Darkness then Fear. So if I do need to cast FD then the mob is more busy with my pet than thinking about me...

Yea heh we're playing on different levels. There's a whole lot out there for you to learn my friend. Necros can only charm undead mobs. HS, Seb, KC, PoF, and PoH are some of the most common. I would recommend getting HS keyed and learning how to charm in there. There's a video guide floating around here somewhere. I'm sure someone can find a link for you.

[Gumbo]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea heh we're playing on different levels. There's a whole lot out there for you to learn my friend. Necros can only charm undead mobs. HS, Seb, KC, PoF, and PoH are some of the most common. I would recommend getting HS keyed and learning how to charm in there. There's a video guide floating around here somewhere. I'm sure someone can find a link for you.

I forgot to mention I also have a level 55 Druid so I know all about charming mobs. I'm just saying I killed Spectres with both characters and saw a lot of Necros and they never charmed a Spectre to use as a pet...

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Gumbo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I forgot to mention I also have a level 55 Druid so I know all about charming mobs. I'm just saying I killed Spectres with both characters and saw a lot of Necros and they never charmed a Spectre to use as a pet...

Charming for necros, while possible at lower levels, is more of a lvl 45+ endeavor in my opinion. Necros don't get the same toys as enchanters for control on breaks. At least not reliable ones until later in life.

While it's possible to charm kill the specters, it's easier and much safer to just fear kite them.

[Emmin]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charming for necros, while possible at lower levels, is more of a lvl 45+ endeavor in my opinion. Necros don't get the same toys as enchanters for control on breaks. At least not reliable ones until later in life.

While it's possible to charm kill the specters, it's easier and much safer to just fear kite them.

I've been charm soloing in unrest on my necro since lvl 30 (36 now) and it's hella fun. Charm one undead mob, hungry earth the other. When they're both almost dead, click your CoS and nuke/lifetap them both to finish them off. If you're back is against a wall when you break charm you can channel through a quick nuke (or hungry earth/screaming terror) while your former pet is beating on you. When fighting a live mob, screaming terror it and back pet off right before they're both dead. Then break charm with CoS and kill them both. Gets even easier at 34 when you get root. If shit hits the fan you can always FD or harmshield your way to safety. Way more exciting and better experience than fear kiting one mob at a time in low ZEM outdoor zones.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Emmin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been charm soloing in unrest on my necro since lvl 30 (36 now) and it's hella fun. Charm one undead mob, hungry earth the other. When they're both almost dead, click your CoS and nuke/lifetap them both to finish them off. If you're back is against a wall when you break charm you can channel through a quick nuke (or hungry earth/screaming terror) while your former pet is beating on you. When fighting a live mob, screaming terror it and back pet off right before they're both dead. Then break charm with CoS and kill them both. Gets even easier at 34 when you get root. If shit hits the fan you can always FD or harmshield your way to safety. Way more exciting and better experience than fear kiting one mob at a time in low ZEM outdoor zones.

Honestly this is why I grow bored on necros so fast. They have so much at their disposal the class grows boring for me before I ever get even close to 50.

Just a really versatile solo class that risks very little due to having FD. I respect what they bring to a group, and their solo capabilities, but I find them extraordinarily boring.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly this is why I grow bored on necros so fast. They have so much at their disposal the class grows boring for me before I ever get even close to 50.

Just a really versatile solo class that risks very little due to having FD. I respect what they bring to a group, and their solo capabilities, but I find them extraordinarily boring.

same, dude. it's funny how having so many different ways of killing mobs and just being flat out OP really makes a class dull to me.