(prenerf) Circlet of Shadow Market Speculation

[Swish]

I've got 2 on blue and 1 on red, I'm not in the market for one and can't see why they'd spike either, on blue at least.

They were farmed literally 24/7 for years of Kunark, I'm hoping the price stays low or even drops for new players like some "entry level" items have. Here's to hoping, for those who don't have one yet.

[Messie]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've got 2 on blue and 1 on red, I'm not in the market for one and can't see why they'd spike either, on blue at least.

They were farmed literally 24/7 for years of Kunark, I'm hoping the price stays low or even drops for new players like some "entry level" items have. Here's to hoping, for those who don't have one yet.

Logic (or common sense?) seems to suggest that the prices will only rise. It's not very hard to see that, considering the number of items (even if there are many) will no longer rise, but the number of necromancers and shadowknights will continue to. Even without considering how important the item is to necros, this is not hard logic to follow. When you add the necessity aspect...

I can say from personal experience that this item is as essential for a necromancer as many spells. If I think about all the times leveling from 40+ (after I bought CoS)...I've utilized my CoS more often than I use fear, probably. It is used for every part of the efficient charm process, it's used for travel, it's used right after FD, enables numerous strategies, etc.

Honestly, if I met a necromancer above 50 who did not have a pre-nerf CoS and never used one, I would assume they are not knowledgeable of the class, and are not even close to their full potential. I understand some necromancers not having it due to it being a first toon and needing to save plat, but that's the only excuse I would accept. After level 50ish, it's pretty much inexcusable to not have and use a CoS. It's like not having screaming terror, or DMF. I would never, ever, get rid of my CoS.

If the supply of an essential class item stops, but the demand continues to grow, you think the price would DECREASE? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Sounds like someone is trying to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Messie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Logic (or common sense?) seems to suggest that the prices will only rise. It's not very hard to see that, considering the number of items (even if there are many) will no longer rise, but the number of necromancers and shadowknights will continue to. Even without considering how important the item is to necros, this is not hard logic to follow. When you add the necessity aspect...

I can say from personal experience that this item is as essential for a necromancer as many spells. If I think about all the times leveling from 40+ (after I bought CoS)...I've utilized my CoS more often than I use fear, probably. It is used for every part of the efficient charm process, it's used for travel, it's used right after FD, enables numerous strategies, etc.

Honestly, if I met a necromancer above 50 who did not have a pre-nerf CoS and never used one, I would assume they are not knowledgeable of the class, and are not even close to their full potential. I understand some necromancers not having it due to it being a first toon and needing to save plat, but that's the only excuse I would accept. After level 50ish, it's pretty much inexcusable to not have and use a CoS. It's like not having screaming terror, or DMF. I would never, ever, get rid of my CoS.

If the supply of an essential class item stops, but the demand continues to grow, you think the price would DECREASE? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Sounds like someone is trying to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Swish doesn't actually read threads or soak in any of the information if he does read. And using the poor helpless new players to aid his posts is insulting to all new players on this server. I never wanted anyone's pity because I couldn't afford an item right away. I put the effort in and got everything I needed.

I think it's a good bet the price will go up. With them not dropping, plat being easier to farm, new SKs and necros being created, CoS on accounts not played anymore or banned, and maybe people buying them up, they aren't going to drop in price.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Swish doesn't actually read threads or soak in any of the information if he does read. And using the poor helpless new players to aid his posts is insulting to all new players on this server. I never wanted anyone's pity because I couldn't afford an item right away. I put the effort in and got everything I needed.

I think it's a good bet the price will go up. With them not dropping, plat being easier to farm, new SKs and necros being created, CoS on accounts not played anymore or banned, and maybe people buying them up, they aren't going to drop in price.

1. This isn't RNF, if you want to troll me do it there.

2. Mudflation is the enemy of any starting "day 1" player. While you might have time to sink into the game, not everyone does these days. Some people got married, had kids, or have other life commitments away from hardcore raiding etc. The opportunity to grind out a casual 10,000pp isn't quite as realistic for some. Those casual players might be better off on Agnarr, so new player supply will possibly dwindle over time.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. This isn't RNF, if you want to troll me do it there.

2. Mudflation is the enemy of any starting "day 1" player. While you might have time to sink into the game, not everyone does these days. Some people got married, had kids, or have other life commitments away from hardcore raiding etc. The opportunity to grind out a casual 10,000pp isn't quite as realistic for some. Those casual players might be better off on Agnarr, so new player supply will possibly dwindle over time.

Mudflation works both ways.

1:2 ratio weapons for a couple of bone chips stacks is incredible. I recently saw some EC logs from live and 1:3 weapons were going for 400pp!

[mcoy]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mudflation works both ways.

1:2 ratio weapons for a couple of bone chips stacks is incredible. I recently saw some EC logs from live and 1:3 weapons were going for 400pp!

Glad to see my logs are going to good use Jimjam =p

-Mcoy

[Gumbo]

Originally Posted by Messie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can say from personal experience that this item is as essential for a necromancer as many spells. If I think about all the times leveling from 40+ (after I bought CoS)...I've utilized my CoS more often than I use fear, probably. It is used for every part of the efficient charm process, it's used for travel, it's used right after FD, enables numerous strategies, etc.

Honestly, if I met a necromancer above 50 who did not have a pre-nerf CoS and never used one, I would assume they are not knowledgeable of the class, and are not even close to their full potential. I understand some necromancers not having it due to it being a first toon and needing to save plat, but that's the only excuse I would accept. After level 50ish, it's pretty much inexcusable to not have and use a CoS. It's like not having screaming terror, or DMF. I would never, ever, get rid of my CoS.

I'm not looking for arguments or insults or fights but I'll ask again... Why is a COS so terrific for a Necromancer?

I have a level 53 Necromancer which I have soloed about 95% of the time and I have never come across a time when I needed a COS that bad... Sure, I have used FD before but it was never anything where I was totally stuck and couldn't get out of the situation.

I'm just looking on really being sold on the idea to spend the 10K instead of just being told that I have to have one cause I'm a Necro...

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Gumbo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not looking for arguments or insults or fights but I'll ask again... Why is a COS so terrific for a Necromancer?

I have a level 53 Necromancer which I have soloed about 95% of the time and I have never come across a time when I needed a COS that bad... Sure, I have used FD before but it was never anything where I was totally stuck and couldn't get out of the situation.

I'm just looking on really being sold on the idea to spend the 10K instead of just being told that I have to have one cause I'm a Necro...

Invising while running and insta invis if fading. Popping out of fd and invising without agro. You can't do that with your spell. It's actually painful for me to even think about that. Breaking charm is another good use. You can get away with not having one for sure, but you're gimping a necros capabilities. And necro at full potential really stands out.

[Zemus]

Originally Posted by Gumbo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not looking for arguments or insults or fights but I'll ask again... Why is a COS so terrific for a Necromancer?

I have a level 53 Necromancer which I have soloed about 95% of the time and I have never come across a time when I needed a COS that bad... Sure, I have used FD before but it was never anything where I was totally stuck and couldn't get out of the situation.

I'm just looking on really being sold on the idea to spend the 10K instead of just being told that I have to have one cause I'm a Necro...

If you are running through a dangerous area and your invis starts to fade you can refresh your invis without it ever breaking. Or if you are training mobs somewhere you can re-invs on the run so you don't get smashed by mobs ahead of you. You can do the same thing with a ring of shadow but it only has 3 charges. Main instances that come to find are plane of sky and VP.

If you charm undead you can break your charm instantly they don't care that it's not invisibility vs undead. Even invisibility vs animals works for this.

You can also use it in conjunction with feign death. FD, pop up and quickly invis without gaining agro.

[Gumbo]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Invising while running and insta invis if fading. Popping out of fd and invising without agro. You can't do that with your spell. It's actually painful for me to even think about that. Breaking charm is another good use. You can get away with not having one for sure, but you're gimping a necros capabilities. And necro at full potential really stands out.

Originally Posted by Zemus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are running through a dangerous area and your invis starts to fade you can refresh your invis without it ever breaking. Or if you are training mobs somewhere you can re-invs on the run so you don't get smashed by mobs ahead of you. You can do the same thing with a ring of shadow but it only has 3 charges. Main instances that come to find are plane of sky and VP.

If you charm undead you can break your charm instantly they don't care that it's not invisibility vs undead. Even invisibility vs animals works for this.

You can also use it in conjunction with feign death. FD, pop up and quickly invis without gaining agro.

I can understand the whole running and staying invisible or breaking charm. Speaking of which, I don't think I have ever seen a Necro use charm on a live mob or an undead mob. But I do solo a lot so maybe they do it in groups?

Feign Death has never been a problem for me. Maybe it's because I have the mob fight with my pet while I'm casting Darkness then Fear. So if I do need to cast FD then the mob is more busy with my pet than thinking about me...