All AGNARR related things

Tecmos Deception · #1 05-23-2017, 08:20 PM

How did class popularity pan out on the other TLP server that was true box? I'm curious if certain classes end up a dime a dozen, or maybe are very commonly boxed but rarely mained, stuff like that. I don't want to play a chanter if every third character is a chanter using charm to power through content, or a bard if tons of people have a bard boxing mana/regen, or a wizard if lots of people just do the lazy wizard nuke nuke sit afk 10 minute thing with a box... etc.

But I also don't want to pick a class based on what won't be popular and then I realize it's unpopular because mechanics that I don't even know about due to live server changes over the last decade totally change the class from what I expect it to be capable of, etc.

IIRC on P99, for reference, druids and necromancers are the most popular by a fair margin; monk, shaman, enchanter, and cleric also being well represented; ranger and paladin being RARE; and the other classes being less popular but not rare by any stretch.

Grubbz · #2 05-24-2017, 04:42 AM

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How did class popularity pan out on the other TLP server that was true box? I'm curious if certain classes end up a dime a dozen, or maybe are very commonly boxed but rarely mained, stuff like that. I don't want to play a chanter if every third character is a chanter using charm to power through content, or a bard if tons of people have a bard boxing mana/regen, or a wizard if lots of people just do the lazy wizard nuke nuke sit afk 10 minute thing with a box... etc.

But I also don't want to pick a class based on what won't be popular and then I realize it's unpopular because mechanics that I don't even know about due to live server changes over the last decade totally change the class from what I expect it to be capable of, etc.

IIRC on P99, for reference, druids and necromancers are the most popular by a fair margin; monk, shaman, enchanter, and cleric also being well represented; ranger and paladin being RARE; and the other classes being less popular but not rare by any stretch.

Well i don't know about the previous TLP servers but in faceless guild there is a charter showing total classes with top 3 being ENC/CLR/NEC and the bottom 3 being ROG/WIZ/PAL so im assuming thats how the class balance on agnar will be, especially considering how big facelessgaming is.

Hakubi · #3 05-24-2017, 05:14 AM

Kinda wanna try a raiding wizard but I have heard they suffer the same fate as here... no groups. I don't want to quad slowly on a TLP that is going to be dead in 2 years with a krono economy and people that pump and dump progression then leave. Maybe if I could come back in 4 years to a healthy playerbase but lets be honest TLP servers that aren't "current" are full of creepy loners lost in time and aren't really healthy enough to support raids/economies. These kinda vibes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqel0k0NzNU#t=1m21s

I'd do mage but apparently pets are super fucking gimped and non classic, also that their damage counts as aggro for the mage so they die constantly. Not to mention the nerf that the more pets attacking a mob the gimpier they get and a million other things.

Those are the only 2 classes I could probably stomach and even then the best parts of PoP (slow AA grind, slow gearing, slow progression, bazaar economy being healthy because not everyone was raid geared/being undermined by krono, more socialization, etc) have been easy buttoned so hard that the end of the journey will be a BIS wizard in welfare standing alone in the EC tunnel (or PoK) I never get attached to, maybe a couple kronos to repeat the entire process over again on the "new one" that comes out then. These people effectively skip the most rewarding parts of the game and are max level and raiding within 72 hours (or 40 hours in the case of Vox/naggy on level 34 mages)... there aren't even any cosmetic rewards or epeen scores for doing this that transfer over to the "new" TLP in ~12-18 months.

I love "ladder" style game play in things like PoE or Diablo 2 but they translate horribly to games like EverQuest. It feels so... hollow? like the fun isn't in the journey but the destination. Taking the Ever out of Everquest and turning it into a speed run. Like, it's not even classic so rogues are going to get shit on class balance and everything is predictable. At least PoE had leagues with actual game changing rule sets and MTC rewards that you could take to the next one.

tl;dr
Will I be able to at least get groups on my Wizard or will I be sitting there LFG while people play the same few power gaming min/max classes?

AzzarTheGod · #4 05-24-2017, 05:21 AM

wat about D3

o wait, ruined

Fifield · #5 05-24-2017, 06:21 AM

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Kinda wanna try a raiding wizard but I have heard they suffer the same fate as here... no groups. I don't want to quad slowly on a TLP that is going to be dead in 2 years with a krono economy and people that pump and dump progression then leave. Maybe if I could come back in 4 years to a healthy playerbase but lets be honest TLP servers that aren't "current" are full of creepy loners lost in time and aren't really healthy enough to support raids/economies. These kinda vibes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqel0k0NzNU#t=1m21s

I'd do mage but apparently pets are super fucking gimped and non classic, also that their damage counts as aggro for the mage so they die constantly. Not to mention the nerf that the more pets attacking a mob the gimpier they get and a million other things.

Those are the only 2 classes I could probably stomach and even then the best parts of PoP (slow AA grind, slow gearing, slow progression, bazaar economy being healthy because not everyone was raid geared/being undermined by krono, more socialization, etc) have been easy buttoned so hard that the end of the journey will be a BIS wizard in welfare standing alone in the EC tunnel (or PoK) I never get attached to, maybe a couple kronos to repeat the entire process over again on the "new one" that comes out then. These people effectively skip the most rewarding parts of the game and are max level and raiding within 72 hours (or 40 hours in the case of Vox/naggy on level 34 mages)... there aren't even any cosmetic rewards or epeen scores for doing this that transfer over to the "new" TLP in ~12-18 months.

I love "ladder" style game play in things like PoE or Diablo 2 but they translate horribly to games like EverQuest. It feels so... hollow? like the fun isn't in the journey but the destination. Taking the Ever out of Everquest and turning it into a speed run. Like, it's not even classic so rogues are going to get shit on class balance and everything is predictable. At least PoE had leagues with actual game changing rule sets and MTC rewards that you could take to the next one.

tl;dr
Will I be able to at least get groups on my Wizard or will I be sitting there LFG while people play the same few power gaming min/max classes?

Your over thinking this big time,

play your wizard, you'll love it and have a great time

Grubbz · #6 05-24-2017, 06:38 AM

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Kinda wanna try a raiding wizard but I have heard they suffer the same fate as here... no groups. I don't want to quad slowly on a TLP that is going to be dead in 2 years with a krono economy and people that pump and dump progression then leave. Maybe if I could come back in 4 years to a healthy playerbase but lets be honest TLP servers that aren't "current" are full of creepy loners lost in time and aren't really healthy enough to support raids/economies. These kinda vibes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqel0k0NzNU#t=1m21s

I'd do mage but apparently pets are super fucking gimped and non classic, also that their damage counts as aggro for the mage so they die constantly. Not to mention the nerf that the more pets attacking a mob the gimpier they get and a million other things.

Those are the only 2 classes I could probably stomach and even then the best parts of PoP (slow AA grind, slow gearing, slow progression, bazaar economy being healthy because not everyone was raid geared/being undermined by krono, more socialization, etc) have been easy buttoned so hard that the end of the journey will be a BIS wizard in welfare standing alone in the EC tunnel (or PoK) I never get attached to, maybe a couple kronos to repeat the entire process over again on the "new one" that comes out then. These people effectively skip the most rewarding parts of the game and are max level and raiding within 72 hours (or 40 hours in the case of Vox/naggy on level 34 mages)... there aren't even any cosmetic rewards or epeen scores for doing this that transfer over to the "new" TLP in ~12-18 months.

I love "ladder" style game play in things like PoE or Diablo 2 but they translate horribly to games like EverQuest. It feels so... hollow? like the fun isn't in the journey but the destination. Taking the Ever out of Everquest and turning it into a speed run. Like, it's not even classic so rogues are going to get shit on class balance and everything is predictable. At least PoE had leagues with actual game changing rule sets and MTC rewards that you could take to the next one.

tl;dr
Will I be able to at least get groups on my Wizard or will I be sitting there LFG while people play the same few power gaming min/max classes?

Yeah the ooc regen on live is a lot better then it was on p99. obviously the neckbeards will take a mage first but you shouldn't have any problems leveling a wizard on agnarr.

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Do hybrid tanks work there?
Elfpals guild hmu

Paladin - Best budget tank (the preferred tank for low end content)
Shadowknight - Best mid range / high end 6 man tank
Warrior - Best raid tank

JurisDictum · #7 05-24-2017, 03:46 PM

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I love "ladder" style game play in things like PoE or Diablo 2 but they translate horribly to games like EverQuest. It feels so... hollow? like the fun isn't in the journey but the destination. Taking the Ever out of Everquest and turning it into a speed run. Like, it's not even classic so rogues are going to get shit on class balance and everything is predictable. At least PoE had leagues with actual game changing rule sets and MTC rewards that you could take to the next one.

tl;dr
Will I be able to at least get groups on my Wizard or will I be sitting there LFG while people play the same few power gaming min/max classes?

One of the first things I learned about gaming forums is their loaded with BS that gets passed on like the God's honest truth. It was just the God's honest truth that Warriors were the best tanks, and SKs and Paladins would struggle to find groups. It was the God's honest truth for most of live as I remember it according to forums.

Then the retarded forum crew finally figured out the nuance between group tanking and raid tanking. Now its true that Warriors aren't good at anything but raiding and you can't find groups with them. And they will go on believing that shit for awhile. Meanwhile, you can /w around a server and find out pretty quickly a whole host of warriors are doing just fine.

A lot of people don't even write that much except on game forums. So they think their exaggerations and stupid memes makes them "good at arguing" (or worse, the guys that think their cool and edgy). Even when someone knows a lot about EQ -- they are often terrible at constructing arguments or even paragraphs about it. The vast majority of the time, they are just parrots anyway. They don't try to confirm the information for themselves. Pay attention when someone tells you something like "x is the best" but can't articulate the logic behind "x is the best."

I guess what I'm trying to say is. Just play the game and you will find the forums aren't all that representative of the reality. Most people won't be playing with some perfect premade static group and never talk to anyone else. Those are small minority that are a hell of a lot easier to ignore on TLP than p99.