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[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to be a top pvper, roll melee. Because if you roll a caster, there is no way to be a top pkr past week 3, unless you have played alot...even then... it would be tough.

First off, this statement is completely false because anyone that played Sullon Zek from day 1 will remember the top of the scoreboard was nothing but casters until the day the scoreboard shut down. Druids with tracking and Darkenbane wizards with tracking would sneak up on people all day and blow them away with spells. The server came out when Velious was max expansion just like this server.

Classes like monks were completely useless for PvP due to having barely any access to resist gear whatosever and no 2h access either. I think I had like 70 magic resist while fighting in karnors at level 58 and I was in the best guild on the server. There wasn't jacinth jewelery and tstaffs falling out of the sky like on TZVZ. I think a druid could cast damage shield on themselves, spam self heal and kill a h2h monk with no buffs or haste. Sure a monk with Tstaff is overpowered but you can camp one for 6 months straight and not see one on real EQ. Rogue is the same way, terrible for pvp without epic. Even if they get an epic, anyone that isn't retarded and can use a 2h still rapes them.

I think you people underestimate how awful melee damage is with no buffs or haste (which will be the norm for a no bot server). On TZVZ, strength didn't do anything and the max damage multiplier was set to a fixed value of like 4.5 or 5.0. For an unbuffed human, dark elf, etc, that multiplier will be like a 3.0 on this server. So yea, you're already looking at an enormous damage reduction for anyone not playing a raid geared ogre, troll, or barb.

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no dungeon that a caster could win a fight in with a LoS check at end of casting. It gets even worse in Kunark, which is why the above troll was over the top. Less is more when trolling Macht.

For LoS, casters had no problem whatsoever pvp'ing in Karnors and Sebillis was a nightmare for anyone to PvP in regardless of their class.

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of the melee trolls in this and the other thread about their need to remain OP vs. casters will end the same way VZTZ did. You will have your time in the sun, but in the end, you will be playing alone. And this time, you won't have anyone to buff or port you because we are all melees now.

You do know that epic mage pets could solo warriors in kunark right? And necros cast 2700 damage dots that land basically every time?

There are only 3 offensive casters in game: wiz, mage, and necro

All three of those do fine during Kunark and velious. I'll admit sending an epic mage pet then running away and hiding doesn't sound all that fun but whatever, it gets the job done.

[Macken]

Not sure if this is the correct time or place, but just in case it is....

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off, this statement is completely false because anyone that played Sullon Zek from day 1 will remember the top of the scoreboard was nothing but casters until the day the scoreboard shut down.



For LoS, casters had no problem whatsoever pvp'ing in Karnors and Sebillis was a nightmare for anyone to PvP in regardless of their class.

Cool story bro. Too bad for you, I happen to know intimately about SZ scoreboard. The only casters anywhere near the top were MQ'ing MB'ing wizards. When MB got nerfed, all the melees rose back up top where they had been before MB came out. For the majority of the board's lifetime and especially at the end, melees made up most of the top 10. And just in case you were wondering, it was an Sk at #1 when the board went down, his name was Iackey and he had over 110,000 points. Bring it bro.

If you are gonna make up crap, at least make it up about something no one else will know about.

Not to constantly call you out but reading your posts, you seem excruciatingly Monk centric. How would you know anything about playing a caster, especially as something as advanced as playing a pvp caster in a dungeon? Casters had no problem with LoS? Are you *#&$ing kidding? During Velious they tried the LoS check to finish a spell...for about 2 weeks... then they promptly changed it back... wonder why that was?

Let's just say melees don't need any more advantage over casters than they already historicly have, especially in a dungeon.

But waiting for you to turn from green to white in lguk at the raster spawn was fun.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only casters anywhere near the top were MQ'ing MB'ing wizards. When MB got nerfed, all the melees rose back up top where they had been before MB came out. For the majority of the board's lifetime and especially at the end, melees made up most of the top 10. And just in case you were wondering, it was an Sk at #1 when the board went down, his name was Iackey and he had over 110,000 points. Bring it bro.

Are you high on crack dude. We're talking about p1999 PvP server here. I obviously wasn't referring to any point on EQ live where manaburn was even in the game since that won't be a feature on a p1999 PvP server.

During the time period this server will represent on Sullon zek, the scoreboard was all Darkenbane casters and a few random people like some druid named "dharma" and "greg".

I don't think you or Xebeken or this Iackey guy that I've never heard of even played on Sullon Zek during the Kunark and Velious time period which is what this server will be.

All your complaints about melee seem based on playing PoP era against fully Vex Thal geared Tides of Wrath melee.

So here I am to tell you that in the real world, if this server was to actually emulate the Kunark era properly, most melee will be useless for a long time and a living hell to play for months.

[Macken]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you high on crack dude. We're talking about p1999 PvP server here. I obviously wasn't referring to any point on EQ live where manaburn was even in the game since that won't be a feature on a p1999 PvP server.

During the time period this server will represent on Sullon zek, the scoreboard was all Darkenbane casters and a few random people like some druid named "dharma" and "greg".

I don't think you or Xebeken or this Iackey guy that I've never heard of even played on Sullon Zek during the Kunark and Velious time period which is what this server will be.

All your complaints about melee seem based on playing PoP era against fully Vex Thal geared Tides of Wrath melee.

So here I am to tell you that in the real world, if this server was to actually emulate the Kunark era properly, most melee will be useless for a long time and a living hell to play for months.

Sorry bro, didn't mean to bring reality into your memory.

Fyi D&G were on the leader boards for all of 3 months or less, didn't realize you were just talking about the first 1/50th of SZ, my bad.

Don't know who this xebekn character is, But Iackey won SZ. Anyone who was anyone knows that.

[Macken]

Also, there is no such thing as SZ during the Kunark time period.

Also, the first 3 months of a server's inception casters will make up the top 10. I assumed everyone already knew this. You have confirmed it as true. I don't want anyone to confuse the first 3 months of the server as a barometer for pvp and make decisions based on fleeting conditions.

Sorry i keep interjecting reality into your false memories. I'll stop now.