Raiding Guild Behavior

[Maner]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm trying to figure out why everyone on this server has to be abrasive towards each other instead of communicating and operating via diplomacy. Ever since forums of any variety were a thing on the internet, people have been assuming that people we pissed or frustrated about things. I've seen people argue and rage on fishing forums. You'd be hard pressed to find a person who can read another human being with out actual observation and body language etc. It's certainly not feasible to attempt to read someone form emotionless plain text on a screen. For example, I'm not frustrated or sitting here raging mad and breaking stuff in my house because of this game. :P I just don't understand how or why this server needs to be this dysfunctional.

As for my posts, they are an attempt to put into words a number of "disputes" (for lack of better words) that FoH has encountered. When you're new to a server and only met with abrasiveness, you tend to take on the cowboy stance a little. TBH a lot of members just want to raid classic content when they have time. We don't want to have petty schoolyard fights with people who have been playing on a time locked server for WAAAAY longer than the "classic" version of the game takes to complete.

Apparently when you do try and be diplomatic and work it out with the people involved, someone still petitions you. What is great is that even the leaders of the guilds involved don't even know, or won't admit, who put in the petition.

Who wants to try and work things out when one side petitions even after getting a concession?

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently when you do try and be diplomatic and work it out with the people involved, someone still petitions you. What is great is that even the leaders of the guilds involved don't even know, or won't admit, who put in the petition.

Who wants to try and work things out when one side petitions even after getting a concession?

isn't it a little hypocritical for you, Maner, to accuse anyone of arguing in bad faith?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

isn't it a little hypocritical for you, Maner, to accuse anyone of arguing in bad faith?

No, I literally mean that the incident in question was worked out at the time it happened and both sides supposedly left in good faith. except someone in CSG decided to petition anyway after the fact, apparently without the guild leaders approval. Which to be honest I didn't even know was allowed when petitioning other guilds.

This just brings up an even bigger grey area though. The rules state to work things out with other guilds first. This was worked out to the satisfaction of both parties at the time and then petitioned later.

The crying wolf thing is just as stupid as nothing was ever actually conceded it was 2 guilds working out what happened that ended with another suspension. So now the big question is why bother trying to work it out? Safer to just let people break the rules and petition after since whoever is handing out 10days now either is being lied to or is completely biased in their rulings.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I literally mean that the incident in question was worked out at the time it happened and both sides supposedly left in good faith. except someone in CSG decided to petition anyway after the fact, apparently without the guild leaders approval. Which to be honest I didn't even know was allowed when petitioning other guilds.

It wasn't worked out in good faith, at all, actually. I discussed it with Aftermath officer on the spot (maybe it was you?, and they just said "sorry, we didn't mean that, tough shit", and Detoxx said the same to me afterwards. No attempts to mend the situation was made.
If you see the fraps (which I know at least Detoxx has), its quite obvious that the guy blatantly trained us with complete disregard for our assembling raid force, putting in danger our 1 hour FTE, and wasted a lot of man hours.
At some point enough is enough, and this was that time. I know AM all hate us now etc etc, but "shrug" c'est la vie.

As for who put in the petition, does it matter? CSG did, and we don't mind standing by that, what individual is not really important in any way. And of course it was done with the consent of the guild leaders, it was the guild leaders doing it - Nemce is retired and doesn't speak for CSG in this matter.

This server is shit, and its shit because there are two guilds that don't know how to share. At some points those that like to share get enough, and start playing by your rules - and thats what happened here. Like it or not, you put this on yourselves.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wasn't worked out in good faith, at all, actually. I discussed it with Aftermath officer on the spot (maybe it was you?, and they just said "sorry, we didn't mean that, tough shit", and Detoxx said the same to me afterwards. No attempts to mend the situation was made.
If you see the fraps (which I know at least Detoxx has), its quite obvious that the guy blatantly trained us with complete disregard for our assembling raid force, putting in danger our 1 hour FTE, and wasted a lot of man hours.
At some point enough is enough, and this was that time. I know AM all hate us now etc etc, but "shrug" c'est la vie.

As for who put in the petition, does it matter? CSG did, and we don't mind standing by that, what individual is not really important in any way. And of course it was done with the consent of the guild leaders, it was the guild leaders doing it - Nemce is retired and doesn't speak for CSG in this matter.

This server is shit, and its shit because there are two guilds that don't know how to share. At some points those that like to share get enough, and start playing by your rules - and thats what happened here. Like it or not, you put this on yourselves.

The issue is you actually thinking someone trained you on purpose. But it's fine, just remember this every time CSG screws up and one of your members trains people on accident. I wouldn't expect any tells about it because trying to work things out with 3 different guilds who pretend to be one when they raid isn't feasible obviously. You work it out with one part of the alliance who fails to talk to the others and you still get petitioned. Seems like the real problem is the lack of communication happening between the 3 separate entities that make up CSG, coupled with misinformation being given to the guides leading to uninformed suspensions.

[Lammy]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is you actually thinking someone trained you on purpose.

Sirken ruled it as a blatant train... how can you keep arguing this

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken ruled it as a blatant train... how can you keep arguing this

Because unlike you and obviously Sirken due to whatever lies he was told by CSG I know what actually happened lol.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Kluwen1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where were your GMs on speed dial when Ssaul intentionally trained our raid force in ST a few days ago and you guys offered no assistance in our recovery? You guys are digging your own grave with your non sense. Did we make a big deal about it? No because individual's make mistakes just as Phatez did and holding an entire entity accountable for one singular persons mistake is asinine.

Growing increasingly tired of these new clowns.

This is the first I hear of both that incident, and a speed dial GM - if you have some substance to the endless accusations about staff siding with CSG (lol) please share it

[Ravager]

Don't train other raids and there would be nothing to work out.