Paineel

[Expediency]

Unless you have motivations beyond simply leveling up and seeing paineel, you will spend a huge amount of time grinding faction to buy a paineel key just so you can ruin that faction again in 5 minutes.

A better plan would be go into warrens and enjoy yourself, when you level out go to stonebrunt, kerra, or anywhere in the rest of the world and level, and when you're ready to kill guards in paineel just ask someone to open the door for you.

So many good places to explore level 18-25 that dont require faction grinding and keys.

[Vdub]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless you have motivations beyond simply leveling up and seeing paineel, you will spend a huge amount of time grinding faction to buy a paineel key just so you can ruin that faction again in 5 minutes.

A better plan would be go into warrens and enjoy yourself, when you level out go to stonebrunt, kerra, or anywhere in the rest of the world and level, and when you're ready to kill guards in paineel just ask someone to open the door for you.

So many good places to explore level 18-25 that dont require faction grinding and keys.

Not sure what you mean by ruin that faction in 5 minutes. Paineel guards do not decrease your faction so you can vendor weapons there all day.

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Vdub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure what you mean by ruin that faction in 5 minutes. Paineel guards do not decrease your faction so you can vendor weapons there all day.

News to me, I rarely kill guards. I stick with my assessment that this is a waste of time even if he keeps the faction he's earned. Its going to take a level 18 ranger forever to kill enough kobolds to buy that key.

[Vdub]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

News to me, I rarely kill guards. I stick with my assessment that this is a waste of time even if he keeps the faction he's earned. Its going to take a level 18 ranger forever to kill enough kobolds to buy that key.

Sounds like you're part of the Paineel guard farming cartel, trying to keep new people away from your gravy train!

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Vdub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like you're part of the Paineel guard farming cartel, trying to keep new people away from your gravy train!

Ive not farmed guards but I am guilty of trying to steer him to other locations on odus. That whole continent is way underrrated and has some of the best zones nobody ever uses. Also every zone is 5 min or less from the the druid rings.

[Shodo]

Definitely not worth getting your faction to amiable just for that - don't know the exact number required but my wiz has ae'd about 400 kobolds so far and is still threatening - would take a level 18 a looooooong time to to get there. I would recommend instead getting a bind at warrens ZL then going to stonebrunt for something new - excellent outdoor zone with lots of quests to do and the loot from kobolds is decent for the level. Tracking is also a big plus in that zone.

[MikeXG]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ive not farmed guards but I am guilty of trying to steer him to other locations on odus. That whole continent is way underrrated and has some of the best zones nobody ever uses. Also every zone is 5 min or less from the the druid rings.

Yea - Odus is an area I just have never used beyond going to Erudin for the occasional spell purchase or port to tox and boat to qeynos.

I am leveling in the warrens and the xp is decent. So I figure if I get the faction I need before I out level /get sick of the warrens Ill get the key. It is news to me that the faction does not take a hit, so that is a huge Plus. Is all of Paineel the same faction (heretic) or are their other factions (IE qeynos guards and qeynos merchants).

Hypothetically, could someone hunt here from 20-40? despite how much they grow to hate themselves?

[Siberious]

Paineel Guards are the only mobs I know of that don't give negative faction hits in the zone. Majority of mobs in Paineel are on heretic and some also are on other factions as well (see more then negative heretics when I accidentally killed a non-guard), was able to faction in Warren's on my monk and travel anywhere I tried (Minus maybe some class guilds that I have no reason to enter). The guards themselves can vastly differ in level from mob to mob, though generally when they spawn in pairs they are the same level.

[RDawg816]

Originally Posted by MikeXG [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea - Odus is an area I just have never used beyond going to Erudin for the occasional spell purchase or port to tox and boat to qeynos.

I am leveling in the warrens and the xp is decent. So I figure if I get the faction I need before I out level /get sick of the warrens Ill get the key. It is news to me that the faction does not take a hit, so that is a huge Plus. Is all of Paineel the same faction (heretic) or are their other factions (IE qeynos guards and qeynos merchants).

Hypothetically, could someone hunt here from 20-40? despite how much they grow to hate themselves?

Everything is the same faction, and you can exp there from 20 to 60 if you really want to hate yourself.

[Shodo]

Originally Posted by MikeXG [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hypothetically, could someone hunt here from 20-40? despite how much they grow to hate themselves?

Hypothetically yes, but it would almost certainly become eye-bleedingly boring. You can XP in the warrens until low twenties ish, after that the only option for a while is Stonebrunt (probably a few guards in Paineel for the inbetween levels too but i'm not sure). There's a wide variety of mob levels there that can take you to 40 or so, maybe a little higher. After that you could XP in the Hole to 60 but for a ranger you'd at least want a duo partner unless you have some nice gear by then.