Jaundiced Bone Bracer - to buy or not to buy?

[EdTuBrutus]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What else are you doing dps with?

Dots aren't going to always be efficient, especially when the mobs get below 50%.

The longer fights go on the more mobs can dps you too.

There's opportunity cost to burning down a mob quicker than spending time canni/dancing.

If you are trying to maximise your effiency and killing as many mobs as possible in a given time, then you are doing dps with melee, pet and usually 1 DoT to outdamage pet. You will finish a low health mob with melee and pet.

If you are insisting on Rotting, even the lowest level pet will finish unslowed blue mobs at sub-DoT levels of health.

You can only ever get higher efficiency using a JBB between L45 and L53 and that is ONLY if you never get interrupts, never get root breaks. Because of this, you'll almost always still be better Rotting or Meleeing even in the theoretical golden zone for a JBB.

Also, and crucially for your second point, at 26.3dps *max*, using a JBB for your damage is the SLOWEST way to kill a mob you have available. It puts you at most risk for the most time of taking additional damage from the mob.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can only ever get higher efficiency using a JBB between L45 and L53 and that is ONLY if you never get interrupts, never get root breaks. Because of this, you'll almost always still be better Rotting or Meleeing even in the theoretical golden zone for a JBB.

This is only if you are using root rotting method, or full melee method to kill mobs.

You can use your pet as a tank and it's very effective, I know for a fact I did it for many lvls once I got the 49 pet spell.

The 49 pet holds aggro, I learned this from a troll shaman that showed me the ropes in Kelethin killing guards and using levi across the city pulling to a spot high up.

You can pull the Kelethin guards easily and I learned how to kill them efficiently.

Slow them, send pet, he taunts and holds aggro so well I did not have to root the mob. Let the pet beat on them till they are at 85%-90% hps, by then he has aggro like a magnet.

I then put 1-2 dots on the guard, then I nuked over and over with JBB till the guard died. If he starts tot ake off running, you can root if you fear he is heading to guards.

Pet held aggro the entire time. This is why it's important to have a strong pet it definitely makes a difference in holding aggro.

Get a reclaim energy mage focus item, like http://wiki.project1999.com/Torch_Of_Alna_Quest.

The mob rarely even was on me to interrupt my JBB. Root can be used, but again, I found it rare that I ever had to use it.

I took this strategy to Felwithe guards, and did the same thing.

The only difference is the fights can last longer due to them healing and being paladins. Once they are down to 20%-30% hps or so, I would rush them, slam them to interrupt their healing, and simply nuke with the JBB. They died.

The most important thing obviously is to have slow on them, and with slow the pet or shaman can face tank the guards.

***I did have a fungi tunic, but honestly I seen shamans without a fungi doing the same thing so I know it's not needed to kill Kelethin or Felwithe guards. My shaman was a ogre.

[EdTuBrutus]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is only if you are using root rotting method, or full melee method to kill mobs.

You can use your pet as a tank and it's very effective, I know for a fact I did it for many lvls once I got the 49 pet spell.

The 49 pet holds aggro, I learned this from a troll shaman that showed me the ropes in Kelethin killing guards and using levi across the city pulling to a spot high up.

You can pull the Kelethin guards easily and I learned how to kill them efficiently.

Slow them, send pet, he taunts and holds aggro so well I did not have to root the mob. Let the pet beat on them till they are at 85%-90% hps, by then he has aggro like a magnet.

I then put 1-2 dots on the guard, then I nuked over and over with JBB till the guard died. If he starts tot ake off running, you can root if you fear he is heading to guards.

Pet held aggro the entire time. This is why it's important to have a strong pet it definitely makes a difference in holding aggro.

Get a reclaim energy mage focus item, like http://wiki.project1999.com/Torch_Of_Alna_Quest.

The mob rarely even was on me to interrupt my JBB. Root can be used, but again, I found it rare that I ever had to use it.

I took this strategy to Felwithe guards, and did the same thing.

The only difference is the fights can last longer due to them healing and being paladins. Once they are down to 20%-30% hps or so, I would rush them, slam them to interrupt their healing, and simply nuke with the JBB. They died.

The most important thing obviously is to have slow on them, and with slow the pet or shaman can face tank the guards.

***I did have a fungi tunic, but honestly I seen shamans without a fungi doing the same thing so I know it's not needed to kill Kelethin or Felwithe guards. My shaman was a ogre.

I wondered if you didn't understand the game mechanics from previous posts and sadly this rambling post does tend to confirm that. I'm not even sure where to start addressing it, it sounds like the gish gashing from Trump. But, in the interest of trying to be helpful I'll try and address the main parts as far as they can be identified.

1. Pets hold agro because pet agro is bugged, its Not Classic but sure, use it if you want. It makes no overall difference to the mathematical inferiority of using a JBB.

2. Being able to kill something is not the same as being able to kill something effiently. You shouldn't be killing unitemised paladins. Like ever. Post Kunark, there is no reason to do guards at all unless factioning, they've got nearly twice the HP of other same level mobs, in general, and are always in zones with terrible ZEMs.

3. I've tried reading it three times now but its still not clear what argument you are trying to put forward for using the JBB. Is it because you like killing slowly or because you like downtime between slow kills? It just doesn't seem to make any sense.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wondered if you didn't understand the game mechanics from previous posts and sadly this rambling post does tend to confirm that. I'm not even sure where to start addressing it, it sounds like the gish gashing from Trump. But, in the interest of trying to be helpful I'll try and address the main parts as far as they can be identified.

1. Pets hold agro because pet agro is bugged, its Not Classic but sure, use it if you want. It makes no overall difference to the mathematical inferiority of using a JBB.

2. Being able to kill something is not the same as being able to kill something effiently. You shouldn't be killing unitemised paladins. Like ever. Post Kunark, there is no reason to do guards at all unless factioning, they've got nearly twice the HP of other same level mobs, in general, and are always in zones with terrible ZEMs.

3. I've tried reading it three times now but its still not clear what argument you are trying to put forward for using the JBB. Is it because you like killing slowly or because you like downtime between slow kills? It just doesn't seem to make any sense.

No need for insults. He is just saying he used it in a specific circumstance, and it worked, and he liked it. Of note - he also had a fungi. The equation is different if you already have a fungi, then sure, a JBB is delicious icing. If the question is JBB *or* fungi/ikky bp, then regen wins hands down. If the question is JBB now and fungi later *or* neither until a fungi can be had, I personally would keep saving for a fungi, I'd hate to lose money trying to turn the JBB over.