"Fair and legitimate chance at a target" (cont) - Page 18

Skew · #**171** 02-03-2017, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Metalopolis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brad McQuaid himself said during one of their Pantheon streams that EQ was never meant to be competitive.....And neither will Pantheon be. They're designed as games with the intended purpose COOPERATION not competition.

This was in relation to numerous questions they received about Pantheon's fully-open-world nature and how they plan to prevent specific examples of the problems related to the P99 raid scene.

Hi Metal hows it going.

Brad McQuaid should have done a 101 course in Human Behaviour before making a game based around having lots of Humans playing it at once.
Its like we dont have 10,000 years of recorded civilisation to study.

Tankdan · #**172** 02-03-2017, 08:43 AM

Classic EQ felt like cooperation, not competition, to me. Our server rotated mobs with virtually no incidents, some servers were more cutthroat. Expansions came and went so fast that the top guild generally had the hardest zone(s) to themselves.

Skew · #**173** 02-03-2017, 08:48 AM

Theres competition everywhere in everything but sure, its relative.
I was on The Nameless and the competition there in the first few expansions was to have server firsts.

Ravager · #**174** 02-03-2017, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously, though, it is embarrassing that we are even discussing this on the anniversary of the Bowling Green Massacre. Have you people no shame?

Let's all bow our alternative heads in alternative silence.

Ravager · #**175** 02-03-2017, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You will always hit a dead end in rationalizing with people if you flat out say competition was never intended or isn't healthy for the server and its population. Fact is, many people enjoy the thrill of racing against runners or guilds to prep and engage targets. Straight up, that shit is a blast.

Many =/= Most and here is the problem.

Phantasm · #**176** 02-03-2017, 10:08 AM

The "many" could kill everything on the server without batting a lash. Saying its not fair or demanding change effectively silences their wants which isnt fair. Comprimise is the precursor to change. If you want to change anything you need to stop thinking that the server is meant for casuals. Find a comprimise that closes the gap between casual/hardcore by maintaining a fair ruleset. Anything less is unfair to most and anything more is unfair to many.

Also, how are pvp minded games not competitive? Our server may not be pvp per se, but thats how things work. Simply saying its not supposed to be like this doesnt mean its broken, just different. Everyone is free to join, the price of admission may be a bit higher than you want to pay.

I think too many people come across as scorned lovers on here. Your wants and concern are beholden to your grudges. As it is the raid scene is most welcoming to the casual way of life, more welcoming than it ever has been on this server. Instead of taking advantage of this many opt to demand more from the hardcore. Why should they lament? When youre camping PS did you say "Go ahead and take some of his spawns"? No you say camp taken. The thing is the camps have been available for all, you just have to get there first

kotton05 · #**177** 02-03-2017, 10:18 AM

It's easier than ever to be a raiding guild. In kunark it truly was about the top 5% that saw targets. Now guilds in rags are getting shots at top end mobs due to current rule set.

Ravager · #**178** 02-03-2017, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "many" could kill everything on the server without batting a lash. Saying its not fair or demanding change effectively silences their wants which isnt fair.

Sharing isn't fair. Got it.

arsenalpow · #**179** 02-03-2017, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's easier than ever to be a raiding guild. In kunark it truly was about the top 5% that saw targets. Now guilds in rags are getting shots at top end mobs due to current rule set.

Go on

maskedmelonpai · #**180** 02-03-2017, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sharing isn't fair. Got it.

Yes, there is nothing inherently fair about sharing. Would you care to share your paycheck or wife with the good elfs of this p99 or your new home phinny?

And no, that doesn't mean sharing cant be fair, only that it is not necessarily fair. It is application dependent ^^