The Truth about Cheating

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are a retard if you didn't think this was an exploit no matter what guild you from

It's not for him to decide if it's an exploit, its up to the whim of dumbdumb sirken. I felt like screensharing was an exploit and I didnt want to do it, but Aftermath did it for every VP dragon they contested against us. Sirken didn't do shit about it, we were forced to keep up with the jones'. If we didn't screen share we were at a massive disadvantage.

Now take that same anecdote and replace screensharing with alt+tab jumping. Only this time BDA gets suspended at the end on a whim.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get what you saying, Chest. Altering frame rates is exploiting game mechanics though because it is utilizing the software itself to achieve an unintended result. Screen sharing is something beyond the game and doesn't directly interact with the game.

Whether screen sharing is or is not an exploit though, I honestly do not see how anyone can believe that EQ developers intended for people to be able to move more quickly through the environment by manipulating game frame rates. That's what you arguing if you say it not an exploit and it just silly ^^ that is the point I was making ^^

But screen sharing violates one of the pillar rules of p99, one human per account. Screen sharing allows a guild to crowdsource visual tracking duties by giving multiple people access to a single account simultaneously. So now we have this grey area, my interpretation versus the staff interpretation. Not to mention this is something that isn't logged anywhere. Again you can take this idea and apply it to alt+tab jumping.

The p99 raid scene is an arms race and each new tactic is universally adopted and then one upped if possible. To ban awakened and not Aftermath when they both do the same crap reeeeeeks of bias and that's the real shame.

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The p99 raid scene is an arms race and each new tactic is universally adopted and then one upped if possible. To ban awakened and not Aftermath when they both do the same crap reeeeeeks of bias and that's the real shame.

yep, one person's "cheating" or "unfair competitive tactics" is another's emergent gameplay

raid scene will continue to be shit as long as raid petitions are private & rules are made via skype conversation

gonna be pretty suspicious if AM doesn't eat a suspension for the same, considering detoxx himself admitted that his guild was using the tactic "just to keep up"

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gonna be pretty suspicious if AM doesn't eat a suspension for the same, considering detoxx himself admitted that his guild was using the tactic "just to keep up"

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, ok, ok sorry, you just talking about rule violations in general. Gotcha ^^ I hadn't thought about screen sharing as violating the one player one account rule, I thought you were saying it an exploit. I do t know that it violates the one player one account rule though because, you not controlling the account.

But then if screensharing is ok then it should be ok if your friend logs in and parks somewhere so you can watch for a spawn on their screen while they sleep. I agree it does diminish social interaction a bit, but not to the extent that controlling another character does.

I would assume that Sirken views screen sharing simply as watching someone else playing, whether they doing anything or not since you cannot control the character.

One single bard playing bind sight song while screensharing allows dozens of people to share the tracking burden. Total circumvention of the one human per account concept. Now what if suddenly Sirken decided to agree with my line of thought about screen sharing and then suspended only Aftermath. Both guilds currently do it, both guilds have admitted to using the tactic in the past. Doesn't that sound absurd??

Now imagine she's white...
Now replace screensharing with alt+tab jumping

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Just facts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get what you are saying but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it the same as streaming, and isn't the lead GM doing it?
And haven't you and most of the server been one of the many people looking at that stream ?, and haven't most guild leaders been part of that stream setup? (you included).
We will prolly have better luck with trying to figure out a few easy to follow rules that are black and white, then saying you can not do this and that about stuff that can't be tracked.

I understand that the staff want to leave room for "onsite" calls so they can decide not to enforce something but as long as there is room for it, people will push the limits and as long as the rulings are not the same each time, if you do this, it will cost you xx time of suspension, personal and raid, we will have a RnF section with people posting look what they did etc etc.

But then again it's very clear that the RnF section seem to attract people that don't even play on the server anymore, and that might be a way to make sure p99 have alot of visitors each day.

A twitch stream has a delay, it wouldn't be useful for tracking unless it was some lazy uncontested target. When fractions of a second matter (enter why alt+tab jumping mattered) you need a real time feed which is why Skype and other programs like that are used. Also, a stream doesn't have the same intent as the idea of screensharing.

[mefdinkins]

You can hit Ctrl+O to change your FPS. My default setting was at 100 FPS. At 100 FPS I could not physically jump over the little pillar in 4Way of NTOV, I would barely pop off the ground and crash down in a millisecond. Someone told me to check my FPS, after testing it and changing it down to 45 FPS, I could jump over the pillar. Anything less just made the jump easier. I guess that change would also allow me to stay in the air longer while jumping towards FTE targets?

If Alt+Tabbing to change your FPS is now illegal, is changing your FPS to FTE run illegal? Can you change it as long as you don't adjust it mid-run? Can you change it with the little tab button in Ctrl+O as long as you don't change it through alt+tabbing? Will people now just choose the lowest possible FPS to also be able to navigate smoothly?

[Niroz]

Originally Posted by mefdinkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Alt+Tabbing to change your FPS is now illegal, is changing your FPS to FTE run illegal? Can you change it as long as you don't adjust it mid-run? Can you change it with the little tab button in Ctrl+O as long as you don't change it through alt+tabbing? Will people now just choose the lowest possible FPS to also be able to navigate smoothly?

"Awakened is under Raid Suspension for the next 10 days for breaking the posted rules that are in place for ToV when on 12/19 an Awakened member (Hjial) was manipulating his game to increase his running speed to levels faster than SoW during an FTE race in Temple of Veeshan to secure an FTE on Vulak."

I would assume so...but I guess we won't know until a guild gets banned for it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get what you saying, Chest. Altering frame rates is exploiting game mechanics though because it is utilizing the software itself to achieve an unintended result. Screen sharing is something beyond the game and doesn't directly interact with the game.

Whether screen sharing is or is not an exploit though, I honestly do not see how anyone can believe that EQ developers intended for people to be able to move more quickly through the environment by manipulating game frame rates. That's what you arguing if you say it not an exploit and it just silly ^^ that is the point I was making ^^

You could say the same about screen sharing. I honestly doubt the dev's expected half this shit the neckbeards do, but they do it. People already stated you don't necessarily have to alt+tab to get this effect.