The Truth about Cheating

[Valura]

Originally Posted by Knowmercy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think its realistic or appropriate to expect players to not manipulate frame rate, or to deem it as an exploitation or unfair advantage with all things above considered.

lul

[HalasHermit]

Originally Posted by Valura [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lul

So everyone that's ever lev hopped up to level 2 CoM or to get in to PoM castle should be banned too?

[kotton05]

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[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by HalasHermit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So everyone that's ever lev hopped up to level 2 CoM or to get in to PoM castle should be banned too?

If they were directly racing someone else for the best loot available on the server, of course.

You see.. There is so many guilds on this server who haven't spent months to years on the forums demanding the world recognizes that bat phones and mobilizations and racing and grabbing FTEs is the only way to play on the server, and the part you enjoy the most.

So we get to giggle when the same voices gets banned a few times for taking any shortcut necessary. The same people who claim the only reason they log in and race is for the thrill of competition.

So either they love unfair competition.. Or they don't love competition at all. And they desperately want us to agree to the former.

[HalasHermit]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So either they love unfair competition.. Or they don't love competition at all. And they desperately want us to agree to the former.

Consider both A's were doing it, I'd say the ones doing it on both sides considered it "fair". That said, if a server rule exists then make it public and it can be followed, don't use back channel screen shots to try and spin things in favor of your party getting more pixels.

As I believe Nemce said, he or anyone else can't be the mouth piece for server rules just because Sirken told him a ruling on skype or whatever chat program is used until the same information is posted on the forums.

Then again could just have Sirken say what he says on those is to be taken as official server rules and then no need with official posting.

Honestly, it just makes sense to have all agreed rules posted publicly.

Anyway, the meeting at work I'm sitting in that's in a language I don't speak is over so this concludes my first and probably only foray into RNF.

[Argentate]

This sounds familiar.

Awakened = Patriots
Hyjal = Tom Brady
Breaken = Bill Belichick ?

[RedXIII]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So either they love unfair competition.. Or they don't love competition at all. And they desperately want us to agree to the former.

It is not unfair when AM starts it, Hjial from AW perfects it and both guilds had players doing it. More on Aftermath side, since their guildleader (Detoxx) despite doing the alt+tab jump he still petition it saying its against the rules. Shocking... the bullshit is strong. Atleast we from AW never thought it was a big deal since no 3rd party program or anything was been used. After Sirken clarification, we all stoped doing it. This last cycle noone (atleast in AW) did it.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are a retard if you didn't think this was an exploit no matter what guild you from

It's not for him to decide if it's an exploit, its up to the whim of dumbdumb sirken. I felt like screensharing was an exploit and I didnt want to do it, but Aftermath did it for every VP dragon they contested against us. Sirken didn't do shit about it, we were forced to keep up with the jones'. If we didn't screen share we were at a massive disadvantage.

Now take that same anecdote and replace screensharing with alt+tab jumping. Only this time BDA gets suspended at the end on a whim.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get what you saying, Chest. Altering frame rates is exploiting game mechanics though because it is utilizing the software itself to achieve an unintended result. Screen sharing is something beyond the game and doesn't directly interact with the game.

Whether screen sharing is or is not an exploit though, I honestly do not see how anyone can believe that EQ developers intended for people to be able to move more quickly through the environment by manipulating game frame rates. That's what you arguing if you say it not an exploit and it just silly ^^ that is the point I was making ^^

But screen sharing violates one of the pillar rules of p99, one human per account. Screen sharing allows a guild to crowdsource visual tracking duties by giving multiple people access to a single account simultaneously. So now we have this grey area, my interpretation versus the staff interpretation. Not to mention this is something that isn't logged anywhere. Again you can take this idea and apply it to alt+tab jumping.

The p99 raid scene is an arms race and each new tactic is universally adopted and then one upped if possible. To ban awakened and not Aftermath when they both do the same crap reeeeeeks of bias and that's the real shame.

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The p99 raid scene is an arms race and each new tactic is universally adopted and then one upped if possible. To ban awakened and not Aftermath when they both do the same crap reeeeeeks of bias and that's the real shame.

yep, one person's "cheating" or "unfair competitive tactics" is another's emergent gameplay

raid scene will continue to be shit as long as raid petitions are private & rules are made via skype conversation

gonna be pretty suspicious if AM doesn't eat a suspension for the same, considering detoxx himself admitted that his guild was using the tactic "just to keep up"