A Beginner's Guide to the P1999 Raid Scene?

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fastboy, cmon. He found ACTUAL POSTS ON THE INTERNET, and thus cannot be contradicted. If he were to allow that some people might have different memories and that maybe things are not totally black and white, then we'd be all confused. Personally, I had no idea that my memories of the 9 years I spent playing on live were so faulty, and I am just glad he has shown me the truth. And obviously, trying to make fine points about the difference between 'implemented at all' and 'implemented with success' are just silliness. HE FOUND ACTUAL POSTS.

And I think the fact that you don't get that he is not actually saying that 'you ARE an idiot', as opposed to 'you ACT like an idiot' is not a personal attack means you don't understand how language works. For instance, if I were to say that 'Ikon *is* an overbearing pseudo-intellectual that thinks his leet research skills prove things beyond a shadow of a doubt and that no-one else even has a legitimate reason to doubt him', rather than 'Ikon *ACTS* like an overbearing pseudo-intellectual that thinks his leet research skills prove things beyond a shadow of a doubt and that no-one else even has a legitimate reason to doubt him', that one little change would mean I was personally attacking him.

I am now trying to find posts on the internet that claim that the world is flat and lizard people live in the center. Oh look! Here's some -
http://theflatearthsociety.org/home/
Wow they have a whole wiki and tons of research! WHO KNEW. I better get in touch with the physics community and let them know they are all wrong.

Fadetree:

I can assure you that this will never happen here. It is, sadly, not classic. This server is not about what EQ should have been, it's about what it was.

Why are you here? That 'shitty' coding is the entire point of this. It's about recreating what EQ was, not about how fun you, or any of us, think it is.

Facts are:

Two of the posts I linked were from Gordon Wrinn - Verants official community liason for Everquest and later associate producer of Everquest. Those links were official correspondence between Gordon and the EQ community regarding the PnP.

Another post I linked was from Tweety, a guide that snapped who mentions several times the frustrations with having to enforce the PnP.

The other links are posts from approximately 60+ players on various servers discussing the PnP policy and how it worked, how it sucked, how it wasn't fair - none were saying it wasn't implemented, they were saying the opposite, it was implemented and a number said it worked and the game was better for it.

Now lets compare,

Fadetree and Fastboy vs Gordon Wrinn, A infamous guide from EQ and approximately 64 players from 2000-2001...

Which is more convincing......

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[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fadetree:





Fadetree and Fastboy vs Gordon Wrinn, A infamous guide from EQ and approximately 64 players from 2000-2001...

Which is more convincing......

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What, specifically, do you think I am arguing that is contradicted by his post? (Even if we assume it is all true) I can't think of a single thing I've said that contradicts something in this post you keep bringing up. I've even gone back and read it a couple times just to give you the benefit of the doubt...I don't see it.

[maskedmelon]

There is no classic solution to fixing endgame raiding. If the GMs implement a rotation, then cunning endgame raiders will just form an extensive number of alt guilds with cross platform dkp and log unguided mains/alts for loot as needed. Won't work.

The one everyone should learn from the current raid environment is that more rules create more opportunities for abuse/exploitation.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no classic solution to fixing endgame raiding. If the GMs implement a rotation, then cunning endgame raiders will just form an extensive number of alt guilds with cross platform dkp and log unguided mains/alts for loot as needed. Won't work.

The one everyone should learn from the current raid environment is that more rules create more opportunities for abuse/exploitation.

That's a good point. However it worked on live and was classic. If there was a no-bullshit policy of banning people who attempt to work around things like that then I doubt someone would risk banning to log in and loot an item.

I think the best thing though would be implementing Luclin dungeons without the actual expansion and adding AA's so people would have something to do, oh and turning off MQ. Min / Maxxers love AA's, its an never ending race to nowhere.