awakened gives up 2 vulaks

[Naethyn]

Nothing was in said in mumble until the race was over and an officer said "let me review the fraps detoxx sent." I mean look a the youtube link you guys are spamming. It is two fraps edited together. Do you really think that type of definitive proof is available immediately after a race? It took well over a day for that video to surface and to act like some nefarious intent to skirt the rules when it simply didn't happen. The fact is if Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week it would be far easier to take his word on it.

Another thing. You guys should consider if the two week concession thing is worth giving up. Aftermath has had to give up far more "next two spawns" than anyone else on this server. If that goes away you could see far worse results. Consider this.

[Sarl]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vianna is such a tool. Wake up. Jumping the line does not equate to tracker fte. Do you realize how many mobs Aftermath has conceded for killing it and validating later? Conceding two spawns has been the standard recourse for over a year. Take pulling Zlandicar through the wall to the zoneline on purpose. You gave up two spawns and didn't do it again, yet your intent was deinaftely against the rules. Stop acting like you're above it.

The problem here isn't cheating or tracker fte. The problem is Aftermath's guild leader asks for a concede every single week over the most trivial matters that never see the light of day resulting in the people who have to work with him not instantly taking his word for it.

I really hope the Awakened leadership starts conceding every one of Detoxx's requests. We need to se the cry wolf clause triggered to fix this. Leaders should only ask for concessions if it's 100% not just on any whim.

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My slant might be that you cry-spamming that whatever someone is giving is never enough for your guild. I've also seen in person when I was in Rampage of how badly Detoxx can throw a fit and ask for concession on 1/2 the mobs. I just don't really enjoy that kind of play style.

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing was in said in mumble until the race was over and an officer said "let me review the fraps detoxx sent." I mean look a the youtube link you guys are spamming. It is two fraps edited together. Do you really think that type of definitive proof is available immediately after a race? It took well over a day for that video to surface and to act like some nefarious intent to skirt the rules when it simply didn't happen. The fact is if Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week it would be far easier to take his word on it.

Another thing. You guys should consider if the two week concession thing is worth giving up. Aftermath has had to give up far more "next two spawns" than anyone else on this server. If that goes away you could see far worse results. Consider this.

I am sorry dude but you & others are keep repeating "Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week ..." that look like some stupid PR Move to shift the Blame.

He & others call you out on your bullshit multiple times. But you get away most of the time cause it's not "crystal clear" evidence/s from what i understood/saw.

From what i saw the Slogan that ll definite Awakened for raiding will be "Do everything until others can prove we're guilty".

I dont have a lot of experience with this "Raiding scene" but i have a pretty good common sense. At least i think. Let's me give you one example of the "bullshit" that come to my mind.

I think it was 2 weeks ago i witness you guys RE FTEing Vulak after a wipe by, in my opinion, exploiting a FTE Mechanic (Monk that was on Vulak Agro list FD and wait for him to path back for 2 sec & stand up).

That pure bullshit everyone could do that and never have to "fear" to wipe to be honest & could get another 1h lock on this famous mob. You got away with it and there is a post in raid dsicusion about Re FTEing a mob ... Without this example. That blow my mind to be honest.

In the perfect world, if every parties were honest & honorable. Conceding 2 mobs ll be enough ofc. But it's not the case, from what i saw (in my opinion at least). it's more "bend the rules until we get caught"

TLDR : You played dirty(again), ignored the truth, and try to shift the blame with a gross PR Tactic to get away cause this time, unfortunatly for you, there is Crystal Clear evidences.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Sarl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sorry dude but you & others are keep repeating "Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week ..." that look like some stupid PR Move to shift the Blame.

He & others call you out on your bullshit multiple times. But you get away most of the time cause it's not "crystal clear" evidence/s from what i understood/saw.

From what i saw the Slogan that ll definite Awakened for raiding will be "Do everything until others can prove we're guilty".

I dont have a lot of experience with this "Raiding scene" but i have a pretty good common sense. At least i think. Let's me give you one example of the "bullshit" that come to my mind.

I think it was 2 weeks ago i witness you guys RE FTEing Vulak after a wipe by, in my opinion, exploiting a FTE Mechanic (Monk that was on Vulak Agro list FD and wait for him to path back for 2 sec & stand up).

That pure bullshit everyone could do that and never have to "fear" to wipe to be honest & could get another 1h lock on this famous mob. You got away with it and there is a post in raid dsicusion about Re FTEing a mob ... Without this example. That blow my mind to be honest.

In the perfect world, if every parties were honest & honorable. Conceding 2 mobs ll be enough ofc. But it's not the case, from what i saw (in my opinion at least). it's more "bend the rules until we get caught"

TLDR : You played dirty(again), ignored the truth, and try to shift the blame with a gross PR Tactic to get away cause this time, unfortunatly for you, there is Crystal Clear evidences.

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[Sarl]

Originally Posted by Sarl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sorry dude but you & others are keep repeating "Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week ..." that look like some stupid PR Move to shift the Blame.

He & others call you out on your bullshit multiple times. But you get away most of the time cause it's not "crystal clear" evidence/s from what i understood/saw.

From what i saw the Slogan that ll definite Awakened for raiding will be "Do everything until others can prove we're guilty".

I dont have a lot of experience with this "Raiding scene" but i have a pretty good common sense. At least i think. Let's me give you one example of the "bullshit" that come to my mind.

I think it was 2 weeks ago i witness you guys RE FTEing Vulak after a wipe by, in my opinion, exploiting a FTE Mechanic (Monk that was on Vulak Agro list FD and wait for him to path back for 2 sec & stand up).

That pure bullshit everyone could do that and never have to "fear" to wipe to be honest & could get another 1h lock on this famous mob. You got away with it and there is a post in raid dsicusion about Re FTEing a mob ... Without this example. That blow my mind to be honest.

In the perfect world, if every parties were honest & honorable. Conceding 2 mobs ll be enough ofc. But it's not the case, from what i saw (in my opinion at least). it's more "bend the rules until we get caught"

TLDR : You played dirty(again), ignored the truth, and try to shift the blame with a gross PR Tactic to get away cause this time, unfortunatly for you, there is Crystal Clear evidences.