WTS Plane of Hate : Loot Rights List

[Teako]

I think these prices are great, and it's exciting to see people going to Hate again.


Make Hate Great Again!

[Fragged]

1. Pulling a single mob, with no adds, past other people and then killing said mob is not training.

2. Your monks following our monks around and trying to snipe the nameds (that we cleared the PHs for 8 hours earlier, and therefor have the timers on) - Then complaining that you get adds on you IS NOT TRAINING.

3. We have been nothing but respectfull, and even ressing people, helping out, coordinating in OOC so as to be out of anyones hair AND even passing up loot.

4. Dispite what you might think, it IS challenging and FUN to learn how to min max a "new zone" (since we haven't spent much time in hate), and for us it's a welcome change to standing on an FTE line.

5. Since we spend 99% of our time raiding we don't usually have time to earn platinum, and even though we may not need items on our mains (and this may come as a shock to you) we do enjoy playing a twinked toon as much as the next person. I will remind you that the richest people on this server aren't the hardcore raiders, but the "casuals" that instead of raiding spend all their time building and managing their massive fortune of platinum.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Fragged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Pulling a single mob, with no adds, past other people and then killing said mob is not training.

2. Your monks following our monks around and trying to snipe the nameds (that we cleared the PHs for 8 hours earlier, and therefor have the timers on) - Then complaining that you get adds on you IS NOT TRAINING.

3. We have been nothing but respectfull, and even ressing people, helping out, coordinating in OOC so as to be out of anyones hair AND even passing up loot.

That still doesn't explain why you'd be in a guild capable of obtaining BiS items and monopolizing these very trivial mobs. Since you have BiS what could you possibly need so desperately that you'd be (1) giving your guild an awful name (2) hiking the price of these items to such ridiculous levels?

Its not rocket science for some people to put two and two together and figure what you need is probably next weeks rent. No offence.

[Fragged]

I guess you missed my last two points, I wrote the post over a couple of edits.

4. Dispite what you might think, it IS challenging and FUN to learn how to min max a "new zone" (since we haven't spent much time in hate), and for us it's a welcome change to standing on an FTE line.

5. Since we spend 99% of our time raiding we don't usually have time to earn platinum, and even though we may not need items on our mains (and this may come as a shock to you) we do enjoy playing a twinked toon as much as the next person. I will remind you that the richest people on this server aren't the hardcore raiders, but the "casuals" that instead of raiding spend all their time building and managing their massive fortune of platinum.

[Fragged]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not rocket science for some people to put two and two together and figure what you need is probably next weeks rent. No offence.

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, what is the saying "a thief thinks everyone steals"? (English is not my native language).

It's a common misconception that raiders don't have jobs, almost all of us do. I myself am a lawyer, and I can tell you that if I needed help with rent, selling platinum in a 17 year old elf-simulator just wouldn't cut it.

[Old Prexus]

I legitimately wonder how some of the players on here function in the real world. Those of them lucky enough to find sex most likely have panic attacks, mid fuck, about the spawn cycle of some monster.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Fragged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you missed my last two points, I wrote the post over a couple of edits.

4. Dispite what you might think, it IS challenging and FUN to learn how to min max a "new zone" (since we haven't spent much time in hate), and for us it's a welcome change to standing on an FTE line.

5. Since we spend 99% of our time raiding we don't usually have time to earn platinum, and even though we may not need items on our mains (and this may come as a shock to you) we do enjoy playing a twinked toon as much as the next person. I will remind you that the richest people on this server aren't the hardcore raiders, but the "casuals" that instead of raiding spend all their time building and managing their massive fortune of platinum.

Thing is though on live we we're killing Vindi with 2 groups in Velious, we got him to 65% with a single group at one stage but I think we were in Luclin at that stage although we had no soulfires as well, we failed because cleric went oom. What I'm saying is there's no way what you're doing is challenging if you're in BiS gear and in NTov / ST. Its just farming if we're being honest.

Originally Posted by Old Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I legitimately wonder how some of the players on here function in the real world. Those of them lucky enough to find sex most likely have panic attacks, mid fuck, about the spawn cycle of some monster.

Yeah. Understand the condition though. At once stage I was farming Lodizal as an enchanter (could charm that little gnome on the docks in IC) and had my alarms set for him, was getting up at like 2am, 3am, taking breaks at work to login... pretty insane looking back.

[Thugnuts]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10 months ago was a different group of people actually, i think Uyan is the only one from that group. And even then, no one ever trained you or your "raids". you would port up 3 groups at once and promptly die to the break in then cry and ask for a rez, which we provided multiple times. There was also a good 7 month break between when these groups formed and decided to go to hate.

There is no rule that one guild gets to claim plane of hate like you can plain of sky. If the minis is up and not in your camp then your monks need to be faster with the pulls. I personally think the prices are extremely high, most of the items arent worth the price. But none of them are doing anything you yourselves cant do if you felt like it.

What guild are you even talking about? There's people from multiple guilds weighing in here, and they're all saying the same thing about having their raids disrupted, getting trained, etc. I think you might have rezed me once, back in the day, that's true. How benevolent and gratious of you, permitting us to kill trash mobs while you snipe all the real targets, log out for 8 hours, and come back again.

Anyway, I hear what you're saying. Ten months ago it was a mostly DIFFERENT group of Aftermath scumbags doing the same thing that other Aftermath scumbags are still doing today, so it's A-OK. Gotcha.

I've said what I wanted to say here. You can resume your auction now, congrats on your Earth staff. $3 per 1k, that's $1500 you guys can cash out in your RMT money laundering operation.

[Fragged]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thing is though on live we we're killing Vindi with 2 groups in Velious, we got him to 65% with a single group at one stage but I think we were in Luclin at that stage although we had no soulfires as well, we failed because cleric went oom. What I'm saying is there's no way what you're doing is challenging if you're in BiS gear and in NTov / ST. Its just farming if we're being honest.

Of course it's farming. It's fun and challenging farming. Finding out how to do Hate with down to 3 people is a fun challenge. Maybe not for a skilled player like you, since you seemingly have already mastered this, and only by pure choice chose to bring multiple groups of people and wipe to trash.

You mention Vindi, and I'm sure we could all come up with tons of fun things to do with low amount of people, but my bet is that if we had chosen to start farming Vindi, or anything else for that matter, you would be right in here complaining again.

[eudaimonia_etc]

Given the controversy, it seems the mini's should be subject to the rules usually governing raid mobs:

Intentional training will be severely disciplined.
Guilds are encouraged to work out disputes among themselves before involving the staff.
All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.
Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.
To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets.
Invulnerability spells used on engagement may only be for mechanic strategies, and may not be used to stall engagement.

If racing is the way we deal with parsing out contested raid content, then a racing/no poop-socking requirement should be introduced here.