Fighting dragons at ToV zonein

[thufir]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the zone in is not a quest hub - in fact the only quests in the zone involve poopsocking the named dragons in WTOV after killing the highly contested Doze in East.

I guess Halls of Testing is what you mean and guilds do typically gather at the ent to COTH in but raid guilds consistently warn the zone whenever pulls are happening so if its straggling members that join your HoT raids late part of this issue, those players are just not being informed by their own guildies about what is occurring already in the raid zone. Pulling in ToV has become much more clearly communicated and safer since the summit. We didnt even announce pulls in the past but now everytime a dragon moves somewhere, its announced to the zone.

correct that the zone in isn't a quest hub, but the zone is - you have to walk through the zone in to get to the WToV dragons after all. =)

anyway these things are both fine, either going to wtov dragons to talk or etov dragons to kill, as long as you aren't getting nuked at the zone in by people who have pulled dragons to entrance, which is why it was banned on live.

yes you could do due diligence or w/e, most of the top end guilds are surely spying on the others anyway. this would be a change that helps casuals that just want to poke around, maybe little groups that want to kill drakes in the cubbies, etc.

someone said awhile back that everyone would adjust if they changed it. I agree, everyone would. that's why it's so puzzling there's such resistance to the concept.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

correct that the zone in isn't a quest hub, but the zone is - you have to walk through the zone in to get to the WToV dragons after all. =)

anyway these things are both fine, either going to wtov dragons to talk or etov dragons to kill, as long as you aren't getting nuked at the zone in by people who have pulled dragons to entrance, which is why it was banned on live.

yes you could do due diligence or w/e, most of the top end guilds are surely spying on the others anyway. this would be a change that helps casuals that just want to poke around, maybe little groups that want to kill drakes in the cubbies, etc.

someone said awhile back that everyone would adjust if they changed it. I agree, everyone would. that's why it's so puzzling there's such resistance to the concept.

Exactly which TOV quests are you doing without also raiding in TOV? Please provide proof of the claim that it was banned on live. A statement like that should be easy to prove with the GM ruling that it was banned. Im sorry that your day was ruined and you couldn't go talk to gozz about a quest you can't hope to complete. But please blame it on the raiding scene and not the fact that you refuse to be a part of it.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly which TOV quests are you doing without also raiding in TOV? Please provide proof of the claim that it was banned on live. A statement like that should be easy to prove with the GM ruling that it was banned. Im sorry that your day was ruined and you couldn't go talk to gozz about a quest you can't hope to complete. But please blame it on the raiding scene and not the fact that you refuse to be a part of it.

I think I'm too young to be talking to you on a school night.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I'm too young to be talking to you on a school night.

Funny how you choose to deflect when you realize you have talked yourself into a corner...

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fair. I don't think the VP and ToV comparisons are very good, though. you can walk through much of ToV and leave safely if you are on the proper faction. that isn't true in VP. (or maybe it is, maybe there's some weird way to get minions of scale that I don't know about? but anyway, you can get CoV faction pretty easily and it's designed to be walked through in parts if you do.)

So you're upset that you aren't able to walk through a zone that you, by yourself, can't get anything from and in fact need a raid force to do anything in?

Again, which WToV quests are you trying to do, by yourself, that raids killing at the zone in, 1 day a week atm, are preventing you from completing?

What experiences are you personally are being prevented from having in WToV, by yourself?

June 2013 and not a single 60, kinda proves that you don't have the knowledge base to comment on these issues to begin with.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny how you choose to deflect when you realize you have talked yourself into a corner...



So you're upset that you aren't able to walk through a zone that you, by yourself, can't get anything from and in fact need a raid force to do anything in?

Again, which WToV quests are you trying to do, by yourself, that raids killing at the zone in, 1 day a week atm, are preventing you from completing?

What experiences are you personally are being prevented from having in WToV, by yourself?

June 2013 and not a single 60, kinda proves that you don't have the knowledge base to comment on these issues to begin with.

this is why you don't understand any of this, you think things are all about you in general, and so you think everyone else must also be talking about their own personal experiences and how they are affected by whatever.

some of us were old enough to be raiding in tov during live in this era, btw. as adults.

it's ok man, hopefully some day you will look back on this thread and be properly embarrassed about it. in the meantime, well.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is why you don't understand any of this, you think things are all about you in general, and so you think everyone else must also be talking about their own personal experiences and how they are affected by whatever.

some of us were old enough to be raiding in tov during live in this era, btw. as adults.

it's ok man, hopefully some day you will look back on this thread and be properly embarrassed about it. in the meantime, well.

I raided VP during its live era, so trust me I remember how TOV was done. On the server I played on it was a race for aary and whoever killed aary had 48 hours to clear all of NToV, which we then dungeon crawled through. I'm not sure how you get that I feel it's all about me, I am asking you to go into specifics about you're claims.

You still refuse to expand on your claims because you realize they are baseless and pretty much discredit any of your other claims. I doubt you ever raided TOV in era based on the single fact you called it a COV quest hub.

Am I misrepresenting your words? I am quoting you completely and not editing anything you have said. You called TOV a COV quest hub, which quests are you referring to? Which TOV quests are you trying to finish as a 58 SK by yourself?

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you do anything besides talk down to everyone, Maner?

Who is everyone? I'm just talking down to one person in this thread. Funny enough he refuses to answer any question forcing him to explain his claims.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I doubt you ever raided TOV in era based on the single fact you called it a COV quest hub.

as I like to say to people I don't really care what you believe. you don't have to believe in gravity to fall on your ass when you trip.

keep on truckin' maner. other people, you will note, are having a polite and civil version of this conversation. it's too late for you to try it now but I'm sure you can work it in for future threads.