Fighting dragons at ToV zonein

Erati · #1 11-08-2016, 07:21 PM

I will just leave this here

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...t=zone+pulling

We had a discussion about this over a year ago before Velious was released and the issue could have been solved before the release. It was ignored and here we are - BTW - we ( Awakened) tried to pull dragons as much as possible to LTK or those entrance cubbies but like Dald points out some dragons gate and pushing around those corners just isnt that straight forward with super big dragon models. The only mobs that should be pulled to the zone in are Vulak, LTK, Cekenar and Feshlak as those are the only dragons that gate, interrupting a CH on like Jorr or Gozz is much more trivial as the spell is a longer cast and you dont need the contsant movement like you do to stop a gate

if this is something that devs feel should be disallowed maybe a compromise could be reached so the server understands that unless one of the gating dragons is engaged, the zone in is typically safe. asking guilds to not utilize a great spot though is a bit of a reach especially when we are talking about very rare chances that zoning into tov can kill you.

I am confused though, why does Temple Veeshan have to be safe again? Its a top end raid zone not really a Day care center to drop kids off to afk.

thufir · #2 11-08-2016, 07:28 PM

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I am confused though, why does Temple Veeshan have to be safe again? Its a top end raid zone not really a Day care center to drop kids off to afk.

fwiw, it's a quest hub for dragon faction people as well.

when I got dubious with CoV on live during this era I zoned into ToV just to check it out. being live, nobody was there and I was able to look around to my heart's content, at least until I stepped into NToV and saw the scowling guardians.

still, shit's classic.

Erati · #3 11-08-2016, 07:34 PM

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fwiw, it's a quest hub for dragon faction people as well.

when I got dubious with CoV on live during this era I zoned into ToV just to check it out. being live, nobody was there and I was able to look around to my heart's content, at least until I stepped into NToV and saw the scowling guardians.

still, shit's classic.

the zone in is not a quest hub - in fact the only quests in the zone involve poopsocking the named dragons in WTOV after killing the highly contested Doze in East.

I guess Halls of Testing is what you mean and guilds do typically gather at the ent to COTH in but raid guilds consistently warn the zone whenever pulls are happening so if its straggling members that join your HoT raids late part of this issue, those players are just not being informed by their own guildies about what is occurring already in the raid zone. Pulling in ToV has become much more clearly communicated and safer since the summit. We didnt even announce pulls in the past but now everytime a dragon moves somewhere, its announced to the zone.

thufir · #4 11-08-2016, 07:38 PM

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the zone in is not a quest hub - in fact the only quests in the zone involve poopsocking the named dragons in WTOV after killing the highly contested Doze in East.

I guess Halls of Testing is what you mean and guilds do typically gather at the ent to COTH in but raid guilds consistently warn the zone whenever pulls are happening so if its straggling members that join your HoT raids late part of this issue, those players are just not being informed by their own guildies about what is occurring already in the raid zone. Pulling in ToV has become much more clearly communicated and safer since the summit. We didnt even announce pulls in the past but now everytime a dragon moves somewhere, its announced to the zone.

correct that the zone in isn't a quest hub, but the zone is - you have to walk through the zone in to get to the WToV dragons after all. =)

anyway these things are both fine, either going to wtov dragons to talk or etov dragons to kill, as long as you aren't getting nuked at the zone in by people who have pulled dragons to entrance, which is why it was banned on live.

yes you could do due diligence or w/e, most of the top end guilds are surely spying on the others anyway. this would be a change that helps casuals that just want to poke around, maybe little groups that want to kill drakes in the cubbies, etc.

someone said awhile back that everyone would adjust if they changed it. I agree, everyone would. that's why it's so puzzling there's such resistance to the concept.

Maner · #5 11-08-2016, 07:44 PM

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correct that the zone in isn't a quest hub, but the zone is - you have to walk through the zone in to get to the WToV dragons after all. =)

anyway these things are both fine, either going to wtov dragons to talk or etov dragons to kill, as long as you aren't getting nuked at the zone in by people who have pulled dragons to entrance, which is why it was banned on live.

yes you could do due diligence or w/e, most of the top end guilds are surely spying on the others anyway. this would be a change that helps casuals that just want to poke around, maybe little groups that want to kill drakes in the cubbies, etc.

someone said awhile back that everyone would adjust if they changed it. I agree, everyone would. that's why it's so puzzling there's such resistance to the concept.

Exactly which TOV quests are you doing without also raiding in TOV? Please provide proof of the claim that it was banned on live. A statement like that should be easy to prove with the GM ruling that it was banned. Im sorry that your day was ruined and you couldn't go talk to gozz about a quest you can't hope to complete. But please blame it on the raiding scene and not the fact that you refuse to be a part of it.

thufir · #6 11-08-2016, 07:49 PM

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Exactly which TOV quests are you doing without also raiding in TOV? Please provide proof of the claim that it was banned on live. A statement like that should be easy to prove with the GM ruling that it was banned. Im sorry that your day was ruined and you couldn't go talk to gozz about a quest you can't hope to complete. But please blame it on the raiding scene and not the fact that you refuse to be a part of it.

I think I'm too young to be talking to you on a school night.

Maner · #7 11-08-2016, 08:20 PM

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I think I'm too young to be talking to you on a school night.

Funny how you choose to deflect when you realize you have talked yourself into a corner...

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fair. I don't think the VP and ToV comparisons are very good, though. you can walk through much of ToV and leave safely if you are on the proper faction. that isn't true in VP. (or maybe it is, maybe there's some weird way to get minions of scale that I don't know about? but anyway, you can get CoV faction pretty easily and it's designed to be walked through in parts if you do.)

So you're upset that you aren't able to walk through a zone that you, by yourself, can't get anything from and in fact need a raid force to do anything in?

Again, which WToV quests are you trying to do, by yourself, that raids killing at the zone in, 1 day a week atm, are preventing you from completing?

What experiences are you personally are being prevented from having in WToV, by yourself?

June 2013 and not a single 60, kinda proves that you don't have the knowledge base to comment on these issues to begin with.

Llodd · #8 11-09-2016, 05:28 AM

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We had a discussion about this over a year ago before Velious was released and the issue could have been solved before the release. It was ignored and here we are - BTW - we ( Awakened) tried to pull dragons as much as possible to LTK or those entrance cubbies but like Dald points out some dragons gate and pushing around those corners just isnt that straight forward with super big dragon models. The only mobs that should be pulled to the zone in are Vulak, LTK, Cekenar and Feshlak as those are the only dragons that gate, interrupting a CH on like Jorr or Gozz is much more trivial as the spell is a longer cast and you dont need the contsant movement like you do to stop a gate

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And yet this is exactly what a bunch of casual scum did on their very first Feshlak who tried to gate.

Anyway this is all fluff that avoids the real problems.

Why is it you are not more interested in playing the game in the spirit of what classic everquest was ? How about something we all agree did actually happen on alot of servers: Consider Aary as the gatekeeper. We all race for fte on that and then get those 48 hours to clear to and kill dragons. Would you be up for that?

(yeah dont bother answering - you have no interest in this servers community)

edit: and just to add : when A/A/Rustle were having their tiff, and Sirks had to come in and sort the children out, CSG who were minding their own business,had to wait untill your squabble was dealt with.

Erati · #9 11-09-2016, 11:12 AM

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(yeah dont bother answering - you have no interest in this servers community)

lol I had to sit through hours and hours of guild summits so we could get the initial Class C/R/FFA rotation implemented which assisted in CSG's progressional climb into high end raiding

I obviously care a great deal considering I have stuck around for so long but just make assumptions on my character based on my guild tag ( essentially what you are complaining about )

Feshlak can be pushed easily at LTK, I never said he couldnt. Vulak is quite a bit larger and he posses issues which is why I said the zone in is great for him along with the other gating dragons. Can they be pushed at LTK - yes - but I'd wager your odds are better killing it there with more margin of error in your push. Nice kill btw

Llodd · #10 11-10-2016, 07:22 AM

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lol I had to sit through hours and hours of guild summits so we could get the initial Class C/R/FFA rotation implemented which assisted in CSG's progressional climb into high end raiding

I obviously care a great deal considering I have stuck around for so long but just make assumptions on my character based on my guild tag ( essentially what you are complaining about )

Feshlak can be pushed easily at LTK, I never said he couldnt. Vulak is quite a bit larger and he posses issues which is why I said the zone in is great for him along with the other gating dragons. Can they be pushed at LTK - yes - but I'd wager your odds are better killing it there with more margin of error in your push. Nice kill btw

Well all odds will favour all dragons being killed at the zone in. But that doesn't mean you should do it. So don't.

CSG didnt exist prior to or during the C/R/FFA era. It came into being as a result of your older guild + Div/bda breaking of the rotation. I won't deny it may have sped up the process of the CSG guilds climb into high end raiding, but that was an inevitability anyway.

And it's perfectly reasonable to make assumptions of a player based on their guild tag. Everyone under their respective guildtags is an ambassador for that guild. Your guilds actions is a reflection of you as a single entity, and vice versa. If it wasn't and you had integrity you'd leave.

So what happened to you Eratani, did the pixel lust grab hold and now it wont let go ?