raiding seems heavily over-camped, was live like that?

[Phallax]

Guess we were lucky on Tunare. We had a friendly community and guilds didnt really part off and kill stuff by themselves until Velious.

People actually came together and killed stuff instead of trying to be "THE" top guild.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

guilds didnt really part off and kill stuff by themselves until Velious.

People actually came together and killed stuff instead of trying to be "THE" top guild.

Wow. This would be a different experience than I had on Erollisi Marr.

Cool to see what per-server differences there really were.

[XDrake]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow. This would be a different experience than I had on Erollisi Marr.

Cool to see what per-server differences there really were.

Damn right. I remember seeing Da'Kor, Midnight Sojorn, Magister, Afflication, Midnight Fury, and Divinity going at it for multiple expansions. I still remember nights of LGUK being unplayable due to train wars between guilds.

Aah... E Marr.

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow. This would be a different experience than I had on Erollisi Marr.

Cool to see what per-server differences there really were.

Karana had the KCOG (Karana Council of Guilds). Which was a player enforced rotation. By Velious there were over 50 guilds on the planes rotatation. There was one guild that formed to buck the system, but they didnt last long.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess we were lucky on Tunare. We had a friendly community and guilds didnt really part off and kill stuff by themselves until Velious.

People actually came together and killed stuff instead of trying to be "THE" top guild.

This. I have loads of screenshots of raids. Every raid for a period was completely open. You would have 10, 20 guilds , represented, more sometimes. Non guilded. When we needed something killed, calls went out and we gathered people. But when the server split came, things started to change. I went to drinal, and guilds from mith marr came, to escape from MM and afterlife, and well.. I was glad to have at least experienced the early days on Tunare.

Here are some pics from out first Dojorn kill raid.. you can make out a number of guilds and unguilded even from the small photos.

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[Sparkin]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But when the server split came, things started to change. I went to drinal, and guilds from mith marr came, to escape from MM and afterlife, and well.. I was glad to have at least experienced the early days on Tunare.

Funny, I was just reading an old thread on the Tunare board a few weeks back that somebody had bumped (gotta make my checks back there once or twice a year) on all the drama that came with the split. I wasn't too into the raid scene back then, and I'm sure you already know this, but was interesting reading how a lot of people left because they felt Talisman / Krieger were trying to change Tunare from a server that used the old open raid system to one ruled by a couple elite guilds.

And... they were right. Open raids continued for a while in the planes and for old dragons and whatnot, but for the most part in raid content Velious+ it was Talisman and Krieger (though not together but competing) and then everybody else. People tried to form other big guilds to compete, and open raiding was pretty dead.

Interestingly, when Tunare and E`Ci merged the public raiding system from E`Ci that was already mentioned above came to Tunare heh.

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess we were lucky on Tunare. We had a friendly community and guilds didnt really part off and kill stuff by themselves until Velious.

People actually came together and killed stuff instead of trying to be "THE" top guild.

There were "open" raids for stuff like VS and a few other mobs, but Talisman and Krieger were very competitive for VP towards the end of Kunark. The guildwars started at least a few months before Velious. For Planes and dragons, there were already guild clashes due to the Asian guilds ganking everything in the middle of the night, so poopsocking commenced to get a share for US time guilds. Also, the "open" raids were often fraught with controversy over loot awards. All was not sweetness and light on Tunare.