Threat Weapon Rankings

[kaev]

Slow is huge agro. Lifetap seems to be same agro as DD (i.e. proportional to damage done so the 80hp tap on blood point isn't that big.) Stun is solid (equiv to 400-ish dd/tap), which is why ykesha stun+dd (threat of stun+dd counts both effects) can be effective even tho the melee threat from the weapons is poor.

Debuffs (like Frostbringer proc) and Dots (like Trochilic's Skean proc) are v good agro. IME Trochilic's Skean was noticeably better agro than Blood Point despite inferior ratio (unless it refused to proc, ofc.) Snare should be better agro than it is here (i think), but does not seem to get any threat at all when the mob already has a snare on it that your proc snare cannot overwrite, so snare whip is limited in value as a proc weap despite its nice off-hand ratio.

These values are from memory on live, so might not be 100% accurate:
mainhand agro = (dmg*2)+level_bonus per swing
offhand agro = (dmg*2) per swing (remember swings only on dual wield and has less double attack swing chance)
2h weapon agro = ((dmg*2)+level_bonus)*0.70
dd (incl. lifetap) = max damage (i think, might be damage done instead)
slow ~ 500
stun/debuff/poisondot ~ 400 (i.e. any stun, druid/ranger/chanter debuff+dot spells, & necro/shaman poison dots)

If you rely on proc weapons for agro (i.e. if you are a warrior and you don't hang with casters who worship at the altar of root) you will have some trouble holding agro vs. lazy monks and rogues and rangers. p99 is home to a lot of DPS melees who can't be bothered to actually use their threat reduction abilities, some are quite obstinate in their refusal but we can educate the rest. Boon of the Garou is your friend, learn to love it!

[elwing]

isn't poison based on counter? like 250 per counter? meaning 750 per proc for troch or scorpikis claw?

[Auchae]

Originally Posted by lootrogue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's your reasoning behind this? Asking any shaman or ench about slow and it's threat generation is enough to dispel this as not true. How did you come to this conclusion?

Sorry i meant i didnt think its as effective as a proc on a weapon not referring to the aggro of slow spells in general. I know slow aggro is really good but for some reason i thought it worked like snare does here, where you get "spell did not take hold" message if a higher percent slow or snare is on the mob. For snare that also kills the aggro generation from the proc. It made using Kunzar Kujuch in groups with a snarer kind of pointless. Unless they changed that part and slow proc doesnt act similarly.

[RDawg816]

Originally Posted by elwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

isn't poison based on counter? like 250 per counter? meaning 750 per proc for troch or scorpikis claw?

Yes. Or at least it should be. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Freakish]

Originally Posted by Auchae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry i meant i didnt think its as effective as a proc on a weapon not referring to the aggro of slow spells in general. I know slow aggro is really good but for some reason i thought it worked like snare does here, where you get "spell did not take hold" message if a higher percent slow or snare is on the mob. For snare that also kills the aggro generation from the proc. It made using Kunzar Kujuch in groups with a snarer kind of pointless. Unless they changed that part and slow proc doesnt act similarly.

You.still get hate from a slow resist / slow did not take hold message. It's easy to see if the mobs turned away, you proc and he instantly flips to you.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by lootrogue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's your reasoning behind this? Asking any shaman or ench about slow and it's threat generation is enough to dispel this as not true. How did you come to this conclusion?

I think spells with counters are huge threat, not sure the exact value of infestation v. wavecrasher. Weapon slows are generally lower values than shm slow (75% to wavecrasher...20%??) which means they're not going (at least I think) be as much aggro as a shm casting turgurs. Tash is some aggro with counters, but have a shm cast insidious decay on an inc mob and see if that doesn't snap some aggro to them ahha.

Originally Posted by elwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

isn't poison based on counter? like 250 per counter? meaning 750 per proc for troch or scorpikis claw?

I think the counter aggro only happens once, so if its 250 for counter, its 250 once then 24 per tick or whatever dmg is.

[Jmcwrestling]

Tsserina would be good then because of the poison counters?

[Auchae]

Originally Posted by Jmcwrestling [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tsserina would be good then because of the poison counters?

It probably does but the ratio is pretty sorry i wouldnt want to rely on 7/22 weap just for the proc. Its not going to be stable enough to keep the other melees from pulling it from you before you get a proc. Also gotta make sure no ones snaring so you dont get aggro blocked. Would have similar issues to the kunzar kujuch i think.

[Naethyn]

I'd love to get a Tsserina whip to snare things high MR like WW dragons. I have all the keys except the 6th never dropped.

[Sallan]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love to get a Tsserina whip to snare things high MR like WW dragons. I have all the keys except the 6th never dropped.

Also works on HoT drakes from what I hear(?), which is awesome