P99 Auctions is Closing

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd hardly call that rampant manipulation. There's a good chance the people doing that - if they even were, I've yet to see an actual example - are the same people RMTing and flooding the site with data because their tunnelquest game is suffering.

People saying the AH is a net harm versus a net good has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Lance explained it perfectly, Paul^^ The thing is, once someone pushed a price to where they wanted, the community kept it there (until pushed/pulled again) because they would just price around the mean, what they perceived as a "fair" price. And pushing prices didn't take much of a time investment. You onky needed to auction once to get an entry on the site. 15 minutes or so a day with a set of macros and you could be pushing/pulling prices on dozens of items however you liked. I wouldn't feel bad for not noticing. Most people didn't.

I don't really care how much money people make. I pay what I want and sell for what I want. I just think it is an awful outcome when someone establishes these phony price points that nobody is willing to pay, forcing unassuming players to waste their time hoping for some purple relief to the green sea of EC, or the opposite: establishing lower price points to suck up all of a particular item for later resale (following a push) when other players could be using the item.

There's nothing wrong with reselling, but p99auctions severely retarded the process making resellers sit on wares for longer periods of time because they had to spend a bit more time manipulating prices rather than just serving as an intermediary to minimize players' time in EC. Meanwhile you have other players largely unaccustomed to the market being forced to spend more time in EC to move their wares, getting annoyed and growing belligerent because they find themselves unable to transact at the published "fair" prices for their items.

EC is full of assholes because of p99auctions.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EC is full of assholes because of p99auctions.

LOL

More like: P99 is full of assholes, and p99auctions manipulation and ddos victimization reflect this. Also, yours doesn't stink any less than anybody else's despite your apparent belief to the contrary.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL

More like: P99 is full of assholes, and p99auctions manipulation and ddos victimization reflect this. Also, yours doesn't stink any less than anybody else's despite your apparent belief to the contrary.

got proof?

[Fettsack]

I really liked the site (as one not willing to spend hours sitting at the tunnel). It was a great help for me - sad that it ended this way.

Hopefully the owner and programmer will listen to the guy here who offered help to fix things at the backend.

Big thanks from me to the owner of the site here for all the work you've been put into this and I am sorry to see this project (hopefully not!) stoped.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

got proof?

Hi Filbus. It's good to see you're still kicking around.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL

More like: P99 is full of assholes, and p99auctions manipulation and ddos victimization reflect this. Also, yours doesn't stink any less than anybody else's despite your apparent belief to the contrary.

What nasty things to say. This community has always been one of the kindest, most welcoming and easily penetrated of any mmo. Your assessment is not only untrue, it is unfair. Most players would drop what they were doing, whatever it was, to lend a hand however they could.

Most would (and do) give away items to new beginners rather than spend their hours sullying their souls in the tunnel. And I would say that even within EC, most are simply there to transact by the accepted rules of fair play and move on. They are not there to scour specific log entries or weigh the merit of every damned unrelated auction. They just want to sell their stuff and go back to playing the gam with their friends and family, making new acquaintances and helping one another bash baddies ^^ They are no more to blame for their unwitting exploitation than p99auctions is for its.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This community has always been one of the kindest, most welcoming and easily penetrated of any mmo.

I'm sorry but that's not P99 blue. When I first started playing seriously I began to notice how toxic and vile people were here. Then as time went on it grew on me and it's transformed me from a wide eyed noob to a sinister vile forum quester.

I've met several high level players in my time here that say the same thing about the community here. I wish I had logs for all the conversations with them about the subject. Would be more clear then me trying to explain now.

Then there is the crew of goblins who forum quest. *shivers* I'm not sure how between point A and point B the server picked up so many weirdos. At this point I opened a door I wish I never did and just want a way out.

Everquest is addicting however. Questing is addictive.

Red community is even worse, not going to lie.
And of course there are good people here too.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I first started playing seriously I began to notice how toxic and vile people were here. Then as time went on it grew on me and it's transformed me from a wide eyed noob to a sinister vile forum quester.

I have had the opposite experience on P99 Blue. It started out great, friendly folk, helping with quests, free ports when I was a lowbie, just overall great experience as I leveled up.

Then I hit 50+.

I joined 2 different raid guilds over a 3 year span. Same shit, different guild. Greedy pixel fiending nerds who happily would screw over "fringe" newer members, or people not kissing the asses/buddying up with the core group that ran the guild.

I went back to my original playing style after leaving the raiding guild, and guess what? No stress, pleasant experiences on P99 again.

I have no doubt the same type of greedy, pixel fiending nerds that run the majority of the raiding guilds also hit P99 with DDOS attacks because only that kind of player does anything it takes to gain more pixels, no matter how their activities disrupt and ruin other gamer's experiences.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What nasty things to say. This community has always been one of the kindest, most welcoming and easily penetrated of any mmo. Your assessment is not only untrue, it is unfair. Most players would drop what they were doing, whatever it was, to lend a hand however they could.

Most would (and do) give away items to new beginners rather than spend their hours sullying their souls in the tunnel. And I would say that even within EC, most are simply there to transact by the accepted rules of fair play and move on. They are not there to scour specific log entries or weigh the merit of every damned unrelated auction. They just want to sell their stuff and go back to playing the gam with their friends and family, making new acquaintances and helping one another bash baddies ^^ They are no more to blame for their unwitting exploitation than p99auctions is for its.

All of that is true (except the "nasty" bit), and none of it contradicts my comment. This community has long been well salted with jerks, and you've been around plenty long enough to know that. (And a far few of the jerks are quite friendly and companionable if they happen to consider you a friend/ally, it's a rare personality who is 100% sociopath, even here.)

Resellers were using, and RMTers were abusing, the EC bazaar long before p99auctions was even a vague notion in its programmer's mind. The assholery in EC and in the raid game was well established in EC and throughout the community when I started playing here in the fall of 2011, and by all reports then it was not a recent development.

Your rude comments about p99auctions in this and other threads are completely unwarranted.

Thou protesteth overmuch, m'lady.