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Old 10-04-2016, 11:13 AM
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The only dealings Detoxx ever discusses is more rotations. I am sorry that Aftermath is not winning mobs that require mobilization, but Awakened is not interested in rotating more and more mobs, especially Velious ones. This is and has always been our stance. It was Aftermath's, and Forsaken's, and any other guild's that came before that, stance as well. You just happen to be in a slump, and in turn are pushing for rotations. Of course people will like you for that.
You're literally insane. What mobs require mobilization with this system? None. If it does, were camped there and ready to move on an fte lock out. But go ahead, continue with the propoganda.

My rotation proposals have NOTHING to do with my own guild. I, as CSG and other entities can confirm, have tried to make this a pleasant and opportune place for all top end guilds to play. Tell me, how many mobs did CSG get when we were suspended? Oh, zero. Right. How many did they get when you were suspended? Too many to count. And not just shit mobs, nor were they mobs we made a deal with.
We gave them high value, big target mobs. (Yelinak left up for them, Dain, King Tormax, LtK, amongst others).

We did not bother them if they were contesting something and were there before us. We rotated ST golems with them, we rotated VP with them. Unlike this past Klandicar where it spawned, Awakened left it up and when CSG started to mobilize, THEN Awakened came to kill it.

What did you guys do to try and better the server? Nothing, as usual. All you do is try to have some false sense of domination (See TMO/IB for what domination really looks like) when you simply split majority of all targets 50% with us. Domination cannot happen if there's another force taking half your mobs.

tl;dr:

Awakened tries to spin us wanting to make the server better by saying were only doing it to benefit ourselves when in fact this can be 100% proven false by any negotiations I've had in relation to making agreements.
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Old 10-04-2016, 11:34 AM
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Tell me, how many mobs did CSG get when we were suspended? Oh, zero. Right. How many did they get when you were suspended? Too many to count. And not just shit mobs, nor were they mobs we made a deal with.
We gave them high value, big target mobs. (Yelinak left up for them, Dain, King Tormax, LtK, amongst others).
QFE. There are of course people of differing ambitions in every guild. There are a lot of good folks in Awakened and Aftermath and, there are of course a few turds in each. The fundamental difference though is leadership.

AM leadership has demonstrated that they are not interested in subsidizing unhealthy play styles that unnecessarily devours their people's time when it can be avoided by simple cooperation.

Rampage leadership has done the same and I applaud them for pressing the issue as they have done with VP.

CSG has always supported cooperation as well, they just are largely incapable of 'competing' because they lack a core group of individuals willing and able to devote the resources to secure FTEs.

Awakened really seems to be the only guild to consistently refuse any form of cooperation, whether it's rotations or ordinary raid disputes.
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Old 10-04-2016, 11:45 AM
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QFE. There are of course people of differing ambitions in every guild. There are a lot of good folks in Awakened and Aftermath and, there are of course a few turds in each. The fundamental difference though is leadership.

AM leadership has demonstrated that they are not interested in subsidizing unhealthy play styles that unnecessarily devours their people's time when it can be avoided by simple cooperation.

Rampage leadership has done the same and I applaud them for pressing the issue as they have done with VP.

CSG has always supported cooperation as well, they just are largely incapable of 'competing' because they lack a core group of individuals willing and able to devote the resources to secure FTEs.

Awakened really seems to be the only guild to consistently refuse any form of cooperation, whether it's rotations or ordinary raid disputes.
I was the one who made the Ring War rotation! Give me some credit!

Rampage leadership were the ones who decided to wake the sleeper and aggro Vulak to snipe a FAT Feshlak after FAT cleared the trash and guards to the dragon.

AM leadership refused to move from the entrance of ToV and continually AEs everyone every kill at the entrance. Also the ones who had the brilliant idea of locking down multiple FTEs in Kael and leaving then telling CSG they were their mobs on that fateful repop. Something so dumb a rule was created the following week to prevent it.

Every guild has their shitty self centered behaviors, let's be honest. Just because they are now in a situation where they feel a rotation is the best course of action doesn't negate the nonsense they've pulled for the past 3-4 years constantly racing to and poopsocking everything.

CSG is consistent, can't really knock them. But saying AM and Rampage/Rustle are guilds who always played right is lolworthy.
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Old 10-04-2016, 11:49 AM
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I was the one who made the Ring War rotation! Give me some credit!

Rampage leadership were the ones who decided to wake the sleeper and aggro Vulak to snipe a FAT Feshlak after FAT cleared the trash and guards to the dragon.

AM leadership refused to move from the entrance of ToV and continually AEs everyone every kill at the entrance. Also the ones who had the brilliant idea of locking down multiple FTEs in Kael and leaving then telling CSG they were their mobs on that fateful repop. Something so dumb a rule was created the following week to prevent it.

Every guild has their shitty self centered behaviors, let's be honest. Just because they are now in a situation where they feel a rotation is the best course of action doesn't negate the nonsense they've pulled for the past 3-4 years constantly racing to and poopsocking everything.

CSG is consistent, can't really knock them. But saying AM and Rampage/Rustle are guilds who always played right is lolworthy.
Go talk to the leadership of every guild on this server and ask them who is continually the worst to deal with in every aspect.

Their answer will universally be Awakened. That clown car of leadership is the biggest joke on this server.
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Old 10-04-2016, 11:59 AM
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Their answer will universally be Awakened. That clown car of leadership is the biggest joke on this server.
You do realize that clown cars are pretty freaking amazing and full of surprises right?

I mean watch this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESa4tVAf_gY

How do they fit so many people in there? Also it's 'jokes' that are what keep us alive as people! I for one am proud to be considered as special as a clown car and akin to to something as wonderful as making people smile!

edit: Cucumbers is right in that he consistently hated Taken Os in the Class R Rotation forums. I think we were the reason he bowed out of that sub forum. To be fair though, there was a whole lot of crazy in those threads so its hard to point fingers solely in one direction but it was unfair we had so many officers who would post there muddling things.
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Old 10-04-2016, 12:16 PM
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Go talk to the leadership of every guild on this server and ask them who is continually the worst to deal with in every aspect.

Their answer will universally be Awakened. That clown car of leadership is the biggest joke on this server.
Eh I think every guild would talk about their era person. I'm sure Getsome and Zeelot had fun together. I'm sure Hokushin and Detoxx had fun together. And I'm sure Breaken and Detoxx will continue having fun together. Tough to compare across all eras though. Right now, I'm sure people don't like working with Awakened cause they aren't telling them what they want to hear.

You post about how much of a joke Awakened's leadership is almost as much as I talk about bug posts and Luclin/PoP being sweet expansions. Dunno where your passion comes from but I don't really see it. They seem to be running an effective guild and I haven't been an officer for quite a few months so they're doing it without me messing up the place apparently.

At this point their stance seems to be they don't want to rotate more than was rotated in the past. Which is a pretty consistent stance for every guild that's come before them. Rampage wouldn't have rotated anything after they got their server firsts and continued to refuse to rotate mobs until they left the server. Just like TMO, IB, TR, FE, DA, and whatever other guilds I'm forgetting that were killing Kunark content refused to rotate it. So why the hate?

Aside from your clinging to how trashy Awakened leadership is, I feel like we've had some decent post conversations on these forums before Gimp. I'm a pretty reasonable guy I think. It's really not a new situation that's happening here. Just the shoes are on reverse. And people are finding that unpleasant.
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Old 10-04-2016, 12:27 PM
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Eh I think every guild would talk about their era person. I'm sure Getsome and Zeelot had fun together. I'm sure Hokushin and Detoxx had fun together. And I'm sure Breaken and Detoxx will continue having fun together. Tough to compare across all eras though. Right now, I'm sure people don't like working with Awakened cause they aren't telling them what they want to hear.

You post about how much of a joke Awakened's leadership is almost as much as I talk about bug posts and Luclin/PoP being sweet expansions. Dunno where your passion comes from but I don't really see it. They seem to be running an effective guild and I haven't been an officer for quite a few months so they're doing it without me messing up the place apparently.

At this point their stance seems to be they don't want to rotate more than was rotated in the past. Which is a pretty consistent stance for every guild that's come before them. Rampage wouldn't have rotated anything after they got their server firsts and continued to refuse to rotate mobs until they left the server. Just like TMO, IB, TR, FE, DA, and whatever other guilds I'm forgetting that were killing Kunark content refused to rotate it. So why the hate?

Aside from your clinging to how trashy Awakened leadership is, I feel like we've had some decent post conversations on these forums before Gimp. I'm a pretty reasonable guy I think. It's really not a new situation that's happening here. Just the shoes are on reverse. And people are finding that unpleasant.
There is a big difference between rotating 16 mobs, 6 of which were bottlenecked, effectively meaning youd b e rotating 10 mobs than 35+. Also, you guys in Awakened seem to thing you're this big powerhouse like the old TMO / IB were. Those guilds were so strong and dominant they had no reason to do anything until other guilds showed them they could actually be a threat.

You lose mobs to a few different guilds on a weekly basis. As do we. There is no dominant guild anymore, its impossible in velious.

Take a step back and realize that this server is at its end and try to share a little, no?
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Old 10-04-2016, 12:31 PM
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Take a step back and realize that this server is at its end and try to share a little, no?
...wisdom. Stop crushing all the rose bushes on the way to the flower shop. There is no reason to race for this gear...there is nothing you need to gear to kill.

btw the rose bushes in this metaphor are your families that you are neglecting to stare at someone else's skype screen.
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Old 10-04-2016, 12:33 PM
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Old 10-04-2016, 12:34 PM
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Yes, try to share now that the timeline is over but for the other 5 years fuck you git gud. Flip flopping garbage.
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