Left - Right : Epiphany

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So we have had some good discussion, but nobody (aside from Nibs' suggestion that government should be large enough to move things left) has really spoken to the two basic premises that I poorly established in my OP:

1. Limited government is necessary on the right

2. Robust government is necessary in the left.

We can discard the HRC thing for now, that was an observation that I don't care to spend any more time thinking about or substantiating ^^ More interested in thoughts on the above.

This line of thinking is Chinese finger cuffs. Some say it should have many axis. Its really just meant to make some people look like extremist and others moderates depending on which group or idea is being demonized.

Comes from the French parliament with loyalist to the king on the right and the commoners and revolutionaries on the left. You can draw from that what you want but that's the origin of the left vs right visual that created the spectrum. It was essentially commoners vs nobles which could represent any number of political economic or social ideas today.

So the answer is no to both of your questions.

ETA: This thread is more like dementia than an epiphany.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This line of thinking is Chinese finger cuffs. Some say it should have many axis. Its really just meant to make some people look like extremist and others moderates depending on which group or idea is being demonized.

Comes from the French parliament with loyalist to the king on the right and the commoners and revolutionaries on the left. You can draw from that what you want but that's the origin of the left vs right visual that created the spectrum. It was essentially commoners vs nobles which could represent any number of political economic or social ideas today.

So the answer is no to both of your questions.

ETA: This thread is more like dementia than an epiphany.

You said you were with my OP up to the point of the HRC thing. Why the disagreement with these more concise premises?

It is of course a spectrum, so I would expect things to shift as we approach center, but I am not sure what that transition looks like. I would t expect a sudden flip flop from extreme libertarian on the right to extreme authoritarian. On the left as one crosses the left/right axis. I'm not sure we can reliably pinpoint that axis either.

That aside, why do you disagree?

If you've a government that controls property, but not the people, how can it survive inefficiency?

Conversely, if you've a government that controls the people, but not the money, what really controls the government and by extension the people?